I think we're approaching a convergence.  How about a set of definitions 
along the lines of:

Open spec hardware:  hardware whose interface specifications (electrical, 
mechanical, logical)
are published, sufficiently that it can be designed into a system, and 
programmed if
applicable

Open design hardware: hardware whose internal design is published, and licensed 
in a way
that allows modification, republication, and physical realization by others

Libre design hardware: open design hardware whose license does not permit 
further
restriction when modified, republished, manufactured, or distributed

Open design information, if dual-licensed, would be accompanied by its original 
license if
modified and redistributed under its open license (GPL or whatever).



 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Timothy Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On 11/24/06, Hamie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > 1. Does an open (e.g. fully documented) register interface and instructions
> > (mnemomnics and assembly)  constitute as at least partially open hardware?
> > This would include most microprocessors... And possibly be a contenscious
> > issue with many people...
> 
> I would call that "Fully documented hardware".
> 
> >
> > 2. Or does open hardware to people mean you have to include the rights to 
> > copy
> > at the HDL level?
> 
> That is what I'd call "open hardware".
> 
> > 3. Somewhere between... Where does closed firmware come into it? If the HDL 
> > is
> > available, and the driver is available, what if most of the value add are in
> > closed source firmware? Should a vendor be able to take open source 
> > hardware,
> > add closed source firmware & use open source software for the driver?
> 
> Twisted.  :)
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't think it would be wise to have the hardware
> impose restictions on the software.
> 
> Not everyone always looks at the source code to their open source
> software.  What they have is the ability to look at it if they WANT
> to.  Having a closed-source driver or firmware for a piece of open
> source hardware doesn't change anything, because you can always reuse
> that open hardware in another environment where you can use a
> different driver and/or firmware.
> 
> Software should be governed by OS distro policy.  If they don't want
> any binary blobs, having open hardware gives them the opportunity to
> replace the driver and/or firmware with their own open source version.
> 
> With open hardware, lots of things are different.  If someone uses a
> piece of open hardware in a closed way, it's still good for us,
> because (a) they had to pay for it, and (b) they're dependent on us.
> The only time their actions are restricted is if they try to DUPLICATE
> the hardware.  Then the IP license comes into effect.  Otherwise, the
> hardware was duplicated by someone authorized to do so, and now it's a
> physical good that can be bought and sold at will.
> 
> > 4. Should the OHF define multiple levels of open? Or just one?
> 
> If that helps us, yes.
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