Jeff Garzik wrote:
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 04:57:56PM -0700, James Richard Tyrer wrote:
If you want to run Vista, you either need to either buy a new
graphics card or mother board, or buy a new computer with a Vista
capable video system.
This is only true for certain 'premium' versions of Vista.
That isn't exactly correct. M$ lists requirements for the standard
version that many fairly new machines don't meet.
And you can turn off the fancy new gadgets to reduce resource usage.
You can use the standard desktop instead of Aero, but that isn't the
only issue. Yes, you can run the Home Basic on most fairly new systems,
but it isn't really Vista -- more like Vista lite.
Modulo everpresent driver bugs, existing graphics should work just
fine on Vista.
Are you talking about graphics hardware. The requirements are quite
specific:
Support for DirectX 9 graphics with:
• WDDM Driver
• 128 MB of graphics memory (minimum)
• Pixel Shader 2.0 in hardware
• 32 bits per pixel
Vista is a resource hog, but that's normal for each new version of
Windows (and often Linux too!).
Not Linux but rather the DeskTops that run on X11.
Where the conspiracy theory come in is if people buy new systems.
What happens to the old systems? Legally, it you sell or donate
the computer, the license to run the old version of Windows is no
longer valid, but even if the new owner continues to illegally use
the old version, support will expire and it might not run new
applications. In
Support expiration is completely unrelated to not being able to run
new applications built specifically for Vista.
/Of course/ you cannot run Vista-specfic apps on XP or 2000. Just
like you cannot run apps compiled on Fedora 7 on Fedora Core 2.
No, you can't run Vista specific applications, but third party apps seem
to have difficulty supporting both the current version and older
versions. They usually choose to support the new version.
I am still running WordPerfect-8.1 (for Linux, actually for X11) on the
current release of the Kernel and GLibc. Windows simply doesn't have
that kind of version compatibility. Do you think that you will be able
to run WordPerfect 8 for Windows on Vista?
These new Vista capable computers are not going to be good to run
Linux on unless they have an Intel mother board chip with on board
graphics (mostly the G765, but there are a few others).
Vista capable computers == all new computers. And /of course/ there
will be Linux support for new computers. That will not change.
You mean that there will be open source graphics drivers for all video
cards and chips approved for Windows Vista. Where have you been?
etc. computers are an interesting question. There may be a lot of
them if the M$ Lemmings all upgrade. Many of these will not be
upgradeable
Most independent researchers seem to think, and I agree, that people
will "upgrade" when they buy a new machine, and not before.
Yes, I agree with that. The question is: how soon will this happen?
As you can see from the tepid Vista launch, there were not hordes of
people waiting for stores to open on Jan 29th, to buy Vista.
I think that the only people in a hurry were those that bought a new
computer that included a Vista upgrade certificate. Those will be
upgrading by mail order.
used computer. So, these systems are either basically dead, or
they represent a great opportunity if people choose to install
Linux, BSD, or Solaris on them.
No. Really, nothing will change materially from today's situation.
Saying this doesn't make it so. There was little problem upgrading (if
needed) and installing XP on systems made in the 4 years prior to its
release. What percent of the system made in the last 4 to 5 years have
the required 1 GByte of memory and the video specs listed above? This
is the issue. If you feel that the issue isn't important, you are
entitled to your opinion, but don't say that it doesn't exist.
And you totally ignore the issue of whether we have a chance of making a
video card that will meet the specs listed above.
My system runs KDE on Linux fine, but I would have to purchase a new
video card that was not well supported by an open source driver, and it
appears a new mother board and processor as well. Are you saying that
that isn't a problem?
--
JRT
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