>> Gregory writes:
>>> I consider LINUX to be the state of the art reference for _ALL_
>>> engineering
>> HA HA HA Good one! You had me going there, for a minute I thought
>> you were serious!
>
>
> Really?
>
> Look guy, we either provide open access to _all_ science and technology
> at the lowest possible denominator to every human being on the planet or
> this little Darwinian experiment called the human species is going to
> come to a quick and very unceremonious end.
>
> I can assure you I am not joking.

You haven't thought that through. If you *do* somehow provide every
human being on the planet access to all science and technology then
the human species is going to end rather fast indeed. "All science
and technology" includes nukes, chemical and biological weapons,
etc. "Every human being" includes idiots, the insane, 6 month olds
and hotheads.

> Right now technology is being used to destroy, crush and create war for
> a bunch of damn greedy western institutions.

Technology has been used for these and similar bad purposes for
millinia. The GPL is a useful tool to protect end users from
software hoarders, but it isn't going to stop war. And Linux
isn't going to end war either. If you want to end war, try
thousands of people in the streets.  Sometimes that works.

> There is nothing in recorded human history where people can just take
> others stuff/labor without paying for it.

Appariently you have never heard of a soup kitchen or other charity.

> That is the ultimate freedom BSD allows you to practice.

Do not confuse BSD with BSDL. Or Linux with GPL.

"you have to remember that the BSD license was designed and written
at a time when everyone trusted (because they knew them personally)
everyone else in the industry. *everyone* shared source code."

-lkcl on slashdot

The BSDL is nice and simple, easy to understand. Unfortunately it
doesn't protect the end-users like the GPL does. The GPL is longer
and more complicated, many people have trouble understanding it.
But it protects the end-user's access to the source code, and that
is a very good thing.

I prefer the GPL, but I run BSD because BSD works and Linus
is a steaming pile of crap.  Do not confuse the code with the
license. (Most GPLed code is good, Linux is a major exception.)

> It isn't a world view that the GNU
> Version 2 license and its application of labor has created LINUX.
>
> That isn't a world view, it is a fact and it is serving the human race
> in many capacities.

You think that the GPL created Linux? I suspect that Linus might
disagree.

> the application of LINUX and GNU rules of V2 has created a
> system called the internet

And then the GPL and Linux created the internet?  DARPA and UCB,
etc. might have something to say about that.

> But in my case I don't endorse version 3 of the GNU Public License
> because once you understand the Version 2 form of the license,
> everything else is pedantic.

> I think it might be one of the reasons why the founding fathers of the
> United States Declaration of Independence, now readily recognized by our
> current regime to be terrorists, didn't specify in the Declaration it
> was bad to kill people because if you adopt the principles of such a
> declaration, that ALL are equal, it is self evident.
>
> Just like GNU Version 2.

You can make the same argument for BSDL vs GPL.

Software hoarders abuse BSDL, RMS invents GPL. They abuse GPLv2,
RMS invents GPLv3. It's an arms race using legal documents.

Founding fathers write constitution to limit power of government,
government abuses constitution.  Similar problem.

Troy writes:
> Let me suggest that if someone were to re-license a *BSD version
> under the AGPLv3, and run it on hardware with an AGPLv3 license,
> this would become the start of the art reference platform for
> engineering design, and if the *individuals* backing it marketed
> it properly, it would replace Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, Google,
> and Facebook as the greatest wealth *creation* in recorded history.

Please do. I've been wanting a GPLed BSD since long before GPLv3 existed.
Unfortunately my allocation of clues doesn't include one on how to
make that happen. :-(
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