Totally fair and thanks for the explanation. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Grace Dunbar <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am in agreement with Kathy on this as well. > > To respond to Ruth's question of "...does it hurt anything to have it no > matter how active/inactive it is? Does it cost anything?" > I think the issue is that perhaps some of our most experienced community > members feel that they are subscribed to a generous amount of Evergreen > specific lists already. I know for a fact that some of our best resources > chose not to subscribe to that list - perhaps because they felt it was > redundant, I can't say. So, there is a risk of "hurting" people in the > sense that they may not get their questions answered well or expediently > via the sys admin mailing list and that will lead them to believe we just > don't care. And I like to believe that we care quite a lot. So, I'm a +1 > for making the dev list more of a technical list which can be inclusive of > sys admins and concentrating our knowledge/skills there. > > Of course, that's just my $.02. > :) > > Grace > > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Ruth Frasur < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I've been weighing whether or not I had anything to add to this >> discussion or not. I've deleted several drafts, but finally I have >> something. It's this. I agree with Kathy. There are enough different >> people with different preferences for communications. I've never joined >> the admin list because I wasn't really sure if it was for library admin >> (I'm that) or system admin (I'm not that). >> >> My question is - does it hurt anything to have it no matter how >> active/inactive it is? Does it cost anything? Create any headaches? >> Offend anyone's sensibilities? Strike those last two. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kathy Lussier <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> What I would hate to see is an IRC vs. email discussion. >>> >>> The fact is, when people are asking for help, they're going to gravitate >>> to the medium they are comfortable with. We get questions for help in IRC, >>> on the mailing lists, and sometimes even in Launchpad questions or on the >>> Evergreen Facebook page. >>> >>> The important thing is that we steer people, no matter what their >>> preference, to the place where their questions are likely to be answered, >>> and then that we do our best to help them out if we are able. >>> >>> +1 to the idea of making the dev list a "technical" discussion list to >>> handle development, sys admin, or any other technical discussions. >>> >>> Kathy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 01/15/2015 01:31 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-01-14, at 14:18 , Michael Peters <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Just my 2 cents, but I've always felt IRC was the best place to reach >>>>> other >>>>> sys-admins for advice. I can't recall ever posting to the mailing list >>>>> about a system administration issue. I know there are so many active >>>>> sys-admins on the IRC that I think the response is likely to be quicker >>>>> there. >>>>> >>>>> I'm also more apt to answer a question I see in IRC. I'm not sure I'm >>>>> even >>>>> subscribed to anything other than Dev and General. >>>>> >>>> A problem with IRC is that if no one happens to respond near the time >>>> after the question is asked, the IRC keeps rolling on and the question gets >>>> lost. If working in a different time zone, or during non-1st-shift hours, >>>> the chances of not being heard are high. >>>> >>>> With the mailing list, a new message from a list has a slim chance of >>>> being unseen. >>>> >>>> Personally to me, it’s also a bit ironic that the topic of IRC came up >>>> in the context of yet another discussion about the existence of >>>> evergreen-admin list. That IRC meeting about setting up the list was about >>>> my first time using the IRC for Evergreen, and it was not a pleasant >>>> experience. I don’t recall all the details, but my general takeaway was >>>> that by the time I was done typing up a response, several posts would >>>> either modify the original premise or move the topic along to something >>>> else. To counter that effect, when I tried to be brief and fast things did >>>> not always come out sounding the way I intended. I had similar experiences >>>> when participating in other types meetings on IRC. Based on my personal >>>> subjective experience, my view is that the IRC is not a good channel for >>>> meaningful discussion. >>>> >>>> Michael Peters >>>>> Senior Systems Analyst >>>>> Emerald Data Networks, Inc. >>>>> Phone: 678.302.3000 x1013 >>>>> Help Desk: 678.302.3000 x1500 >>>>> www.emeralddata.net >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>> Of >>>>> Galen Charlton >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:43 PM >>>>> To: Evergreen Discussion Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the >>>>> "evergreen-admin" >>>>> mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Chris Sharp < >>>>> [email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In my view, the Evergreen-Admin list duplicates the purpose of this, >>>>>> the General list, in that the General list serves as an all-purpose >>>>>> venue for (non-development related) technical help in running >>>>>> Evergreen. If you agree, please +1, otherwise, please state your case >>>>>> for keeping it. ;-) >>>>>> >>>>> 0. >>>>> >>>>> A dedicated list for Evergreen sysadmins could work in principle, but >>>>> of >>>>> course requires that folks actually answer questions posted to it. >>>>> Since the list was created, there's been long periods where it has been >>>>> mostly ignored, either passively or actively, and I think it long ago >>>>> reached the point where reluctance to use it has self-fulfilled a >>>>> prophecy >>>>> that it would not be used. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Galen >>>>> -- >>>>> Galen Charlton >>>>> Manager of Implementation >>>>> Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts >>>>> email: [email protected] >>>>> direct: +1 770-709-5581 >>>>> cell: +1 404-984-4366 >>>>> skype: gmcharlt >>>>> web: http://www.esilibrary.com/ >>>>> Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org & >>>>> http://evergreen-ils.org >>>>> >>>> Aleksey Lazar >>>> IS Developer and Integrator - PALS >>>> http://www.mnpals.org/ >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Kathy Lussier >>> Project Coordinator >>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative >>> (508) 343-0128 >>> [email protected] >>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ruth Frasur >> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township >> Library >> 10 W. 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