I think IRC and email are fundamentally different things and I don't think a one vs other is a useful discussion. FWIW I've seen many productive and really engaged conversations in IRC that I have trouble imagining happening via email without that immediacy.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Ruth Frasur < [email protected]> wrote: > Totally fair and thanks for the explanation. > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Grace Dunbar <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I am in agreement with Kathy on this as well. >> >> To respond to Ruth's question of "...does it hurt anything to have it no >> matter how active/inactive it is? Does it cost anything?" >> I think the issue is that perhaps some of our most experienced community >> members feel that they are subscribed to a generous amount of Evergreen >> specific lists already. I know for a fact that some of our best resources >> chose not to subscribe to that list - perhaps because they felt it was >> redundant, I can't say. So, there is a risk of "hurting" people in the >> sense that they may not get their questions answered well or expediently >> via the sys admin mailing list and that will lead them to believe we just >> don't care. And I like to believe that we care quite a lot. So, I'm a +1 >> for making the dev list more of a technical list which can be inclusive of >> sys admins and concentrating our knowledge/skills there. >> >> Of course, that's just my $.02. >> :) >> >> Grace >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Ruth Frasur < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I've been weighing whether or not I had anything to add to this >>> discussion or not. I've deleted several drafts, but finally I have >>> something. It's this. I agree with Kathy. There are enough different >>> people with different preferences for communications. I've never joined >>> the admin list because I wasn't really sure if it was for library admin >>> (I'm that) or system admin (I'm not that). >>> >>> My question is - does it hurt anything to have it no matter how >>> active/inactive it is? Does it cost anything? Create any headaches? >>> Offend anyone's sensibilities? Strike those last two. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:15 AM, Kathy Lussier <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> What I would hate to see is an IRC vs. email discussion. >>>> >>>> The fact is, when people are asking for help, they're going to >>>> gravitate to the medium they are comfortable with. We get questions for >>>> help in IRC, on the mailing lists, and sometimes even in Launchpad >>>> questions or on the Evergreen Facebook page. >>>> >>>> The important thing is that we steer people, no matter what their >>>> preference, to the place where their questions are likely to be answered, >>>> and then that we do our best to help them out if we are able. >>>> >>>> +1 to the idea of making the dev list a "technical" discussion list to >>>> handle development, sys admin, or any other technical discussions. >>>> >>>> Kathy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 01/15/2015 01:31 PM, Lazar, Alexey Vladimirovich wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-01-14, at 14:18 , Michael Peters <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Just my 2 cents, but I've always felt IRC was the best place to reach >>>>>> other >>>>>> sys-admins for advice. I can't recall ever posting to the mailing >>>>>> list >>>>>> about a system administration issue. I know there are so many active >>>>>> sys-admins on the IRC that I think the response is likely to be >>>>>> quicker >>>>>> there. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm also more apt to answer a question I see in IRC. I'm not sure >>>>>> I'm even >>>>>> subscribed to anything other than Dev and General. >>>>>> >>>>> A problem with IRC is that if no one happens to respond near the time >>>>> after the question is asked, the IRC keeps rolling on and the question >>>>> gets >>>>> lost. If working in a different time zone, or during non-1st-shift hours, >>>>> the chances of not being heard are high. >>>>> >>>>> With the mailing list, a new message from a list has a slim chance of >>>>> being unseen. >>>>> >>>>> Personally to me, it’s also a bit ironic that the topic of IRC came up >>>>> in the context of yet another discussion about the existence of >>>>> evergreen-admin list. That IRC meeting about setting up the list was about >>>>> my first time using the IRC for Evergreen, and it was not a pleasant >>>>> experience. I don’t recall all the details, but my general takeaway was >>>>> that by the time I was done typing up a response, several posts would >>>>> either modify the original premise or move the topic along to something >>>>> else. To counter that effect, when I tried to be brief and fast things did >>>>> not always come out sounding the way I intended. I had similar experiences >>>>> when participating in other types meetings on IRC. Based on my personal >>>>> subjective experience, my view is that the IRC is not a good channel for >>>>> meaningful discussion. >>>>> >>>>> Michael Peters >>>>>> Senior Systems Analyst >>>>>> Emerald Data Networks, Inc. >>>>>> Phone: 678.302.3000 x1013 >>>>>> Help Desk: 678.302.3000 x1500 >>>>>> www.emeralddata.net >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>>>> Behalf Of >>>>>> Galen Charlton >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:43 PM >>>>>> To: Evergreen Discussion Group >>>>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Motion to deactivate the >>>>>> "evergreen-admin" >>>>>> mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Chris Sharp < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In my view, the Evergreen-Admin list duplicates the purpose of this, >>>>>>> the General list, in that the General list serves as an all-purpose >>>>>>> venue for (non-development related) technical help in running >>>>>>> Evergreen. If you agree, please +1, otherwise, please state your >>>>>>> case >>>>>>> for keeping it. ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>> 0. >>>>>> >>>>>> A dedicated list for Evergreen sysadmins could work in principle, but >>>>>> of >>>>>> course requires that folks actually answer questions posted to it. >>>>>> Since the list was created, there's been long periods where it has >>>>>> been >>>>>> mostly ignored, either passively or actively, and I think it long ago >>>>>> reached the point where reluctance to use it has self-fulfilled a >>>>>> prophecy >>>>>> that it would not be used. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Galen >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Galen Charlton >>>>>> Manager of Implementation >>>>>> Equinox Software, Inc. / The Open Source Experts >>>>>> email: [email protected] >>>>>> direct: +1 770-709-5581 >>>>>> cell: +1 404-984-4366 >>>>>> skype: gmcharlt >>>>>> web: http://www.esilibrary.com/ >>>>>> Supporting Koha and Evergreen: http://koha-community.org & >>>>>> http://evergreen-ils.org >>>>>> >>>>> Aleksey Lazar >>>>> IS Developer and Integrator - PALS >>>>> http://www.mnpals.org/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kathy Lussier >>>> Project Coordinator >>>> Massachusetts Library Network Cooperative >>>> (508) 343-0128 >>>> [email protected] >>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kmlussier >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ruth Frasur >>> Director of the Historic(ally Awesome) Hagerstown - Jefferson Township >>> Library >>> 10 W. 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