Just a brief addition. This looked interesting. It's basically turnkey and a hosted solution. As you can see, I linked the pricing/features page. Why not get straight to the bottom line? I +1 Terran's fundraising idea.
http://www.libraryworld.com/pricing.html On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:19 PM, McCanna, Terran < tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote: > Ben, > > Ouch, I didn't see Surpass's price tag. There's something called > ResourceMate that has a "Lite" edition for $295, and another called > PrimaSoft Small Library Organizer Pro for $245, both of which are designed > for very small libraries to run on a single machine. Again, I haven't used > either, but they might be worth investigating. Maybe you could do a bit of > fundraising so you don't have to pay out of pocket? > > Good luck! > > > Terran McCanna > PINES Program Manager > Georgia Public Library Service > 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 > Atlanta, GA 30345 > 404-235-7138 > tmcca...@georgialibraries.org > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ben T." <t.be...@gmail.com> > To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" < > open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 6:39:17 PM > Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library? > > Thank you for all the responses. > > Rogan, you inferences are generally correct. I do not have much > experience. I have worked with virtual machines before, and I use Ubuntu > on my personal computer, but I have never really been a sys admin. As for > time, I do not have much time per week, but I have a soft deadline to make > something work by June. So I possibly could set up a VM and make this > work. However, our computer is shared with a bunch of volunteers at the > community center, many of whom are not very computer literate. My > intuition tells me that a VM would not survive meddling from other folks. > So if a VM is the only available solution with Evergreen, I think I will > keep looking. > > Terran, Surpass looks amazing, except for the ~$3000 price tag on it. > Anything purchased is likely coming out of my pocket at this point, and > there is no way I can afford that. > > Yunus, Openbiblio also looks good, except it runs into the same server > problem that evergreen does. > > So I think I'll keep looking for solutions. Thanks, everyone. > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rogan Hamby <rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net> > wrote: > > > It does still require Linux skills as it's a virtual machine whether he > > has that skill set or is willing to invest the time to learn it is a > > pre-requisite, something I wouldn't assume from the question. > > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Ehle <marke...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run > >> Evergreen on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill. > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran < > >> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM environment or not, > >>> I really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up and > maintain for > >>> someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system administration. A > >>> hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny libraries can't > >>> afford that either. > >>> > >>> Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate some of > the > >>> library automation system offerings that are designed specifically for > >>> small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with Surpass? I > haven't > >>> used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries (less > than > >>> 5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running on a single > >>> non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html. > >>> > >>> > >>> Terran McCanna > >>> PINES Program Manager > >>> Georgia Public Library Service > >>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150 > >>> Atlanta, GA 30345 > >>> 404-235-7138 > >>> tmcca...@georgialibraries.org > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Mark Ehle" <marke...@gmail.com> > >>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" < > >>> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org> > >>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library? > >>> > >>> We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC hardware > >>> you > >>> object to? Or just VM's in general. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle <marke...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the difference is not > >>> that > >>> > much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our staff > never > >>> > knew. > >>> > > >>> > What do you suggest Ben does? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby < > >>> rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net> > >>> > wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> Hi Mark, > >>> >> > >>> >> There is a big difference between running a production system on a > >>> >> desktop VM and playing with it. Running Evergreen in Virtual Box is > >>> common > >>> >> for developers, documenters, etc.... > >>> >> > >>> >> And it's important for those who don't have a systems background > that > >>> a > >>> >> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a desktop with > >>> limited > >>> >> resources are very different things. > >>> >> > >>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle <marke...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM and have > >>> been > >>> >>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on anything else > >>> *but* > >>> >>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run Evergreen in > >>> Virtual Box > >>> >>> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just fine. > >>> Given a > >>> >>> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run > >>> Evergreen on > >>> >>> a VM for a few clients for a small library. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby < > >>> rogan.ha...@yclibrary.net > >>> >>> > wrote: > >>> >>> > >>> >>>> Hi Ben, > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows > >>> software. > >>> >>>> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run on Debian > >>> though I > >>> >>>> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well. > >>> Honestly, as > >>> >>>> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what I can > >>> infer from > >>> >>>> your post I don't think this would be the right direction for you. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though possible but > >>> then > >>> >>>> connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc... these are > going > >>> to > >>> >>>> require a big investment of time and energy on the part of staff. > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T. <t.be...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>>> Hello All, > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing. At this point > >>> we're > >>> >>>>> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some way more > >>> efficient > >>> >>>>> than paper and pencil. Evergreen seems like it could be a good > >>> solution > >>> >>>>> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at this point > >>> nor a > >>> >>>>> subscription (we basically have no money). Is there any way > >>> (hopefully a > >>> >>>>> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows (7) > machine, > >>> keeping > >>> >>>>> the catalog and patron information locally? > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> Sincerely, > >>> >>>>> Ben > >>> >>>>> Librarian Volunteer > >>> >>>>> Kendall Clawson Library > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech savvy. I won't > be > >>> >>>>> able to do any major amount of coding on my own. > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> -- > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA > >>> >>>> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, > >>> >>>> York County Library System > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough > >>> to > >>> >>>> suit me.” > >>> >>>> ― C.S. Lewis < > >>> http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> > >>> >> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA > >>> >> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services, > >>> >> York County Library System > >>> >> > >>> >> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long enough > to > >>> >> suit me.” > >>> >> ― C.S. 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