Just a brief addition. This looked interesting. It's basically
turnkey and a hosted solution. As you can see, I linked the
pricing/features page. Why not get straight to the bottom line? I
+1 Terran's fundraising idea.
http://www.libraryworld.com/pricing.html
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:19 PM, McCanna, Terran
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Ben,
Ouch, I didn't see Surpass's price tag. There's something called
ResourceMate that has a "Lite" edition for $295, and another
called PrimaSoft Small Library Organizer Pro for $245, both of
which are designed for very small libraries to run on a single
machine. Again, I haven't used either, but they might be worth
investigating. Maybe you could do a bit of fundraising so you
don't have to pay out of pocket?
Good luck!
Terran McCanna
PINES Program Manager
Georgia Public Library Service
1800 Century Place, Suite 150
Atlanta, GA 30345
404-235-7138 <tel:404-235-7138>
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben T." <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: "Evergreen Discussion Group"
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 6:39:17 PM
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
Thank you for all the responses.
Rogan, you inferences are generally correct. I do not have much
experience. I have worked with virtual machines before, and I
use Ubuntu
on my personal computer, but I have never really been a sys
admin. As for
time, I do not have much time per week, but I have a soft
deadline to make
something work by June. So I possibly could set up a VM and make
this
work. However, our computer is shared with a bunch of volunteers
at the
community center, many of whom are not very computer literate. My
intuition tells me that a VM would not survive meddling from
other folks.
So if a VM is the only available solution with Evergreen, I think
I will
keep looking.
Terran, Surpass looks amazing, except for the ~$3000 price tag on it.
Anything purchased is likely coming out of my pocket at this
point, and
there is no way I can afford that.
Yunus, Openbiblio also looks good, except it runs into the same
server
problem that evergreen does.
So I think I'll keep looking for solutions. Thanks, everyone.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Rogan Hamby
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
> It does still require Linux skills as it's a virtual machine
whether he
> has that skill set or is willing to invest the time to learn it
is a
> pre-requisite, something I wouldn't assume from the question.
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Mark Ehle <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>> Ben did say he was decently tech savvy and asked for a way to run
>> Evergreen on a pc. VirtualBox fits the bill.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:08 PM, McCanna, Terran <
>> [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of whether it's feasible in a Windows VM
environment or not,
>>> I really think that Evergreen is too complicated to set up
and maintain for
>>> someone who doesn't have a strong skillset in system
administration. A
>>> hosted ILS would be a better option, but a lot of tiny
libraries can't
>>> afford that either.
>>>
>>> Personally, if I were in Ben's position, I would investigate
some of the
>>> library automation system offerings that are designed
specifically for
>>> small libraries. Does anyone have any experience with
Surpass? I haven't
>>> used it, but it looks like it was designed for tiny libraries
(less than
>>> 5000 items) and has a standalone license option for running
on a single
>>> non-networked PC: http://www.surpasssoftware.com/surpass-sl.html.
>>>
>>>
>>> Terran McCanna
>>> PINES Program Manager
>>> Georgia Public Library Service
>>> 1800 Century Place, Suite 150
>>> Atlanta, GA 30345
>>> 404-235-7138 <tel:404-235-7138>
>>> [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark Ehle" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> To: "Evergreen Discussion Group" <
>>> [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:26:53 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Help for a tiny library?
>>>
>>> We ran everything in VirtualBox for a long time. Is it the PC
hardware
>>> you
>>> object to? Or just VM's in general.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Mark Ehle
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > When you have quad-core PC's with 8gb of ram, the
difference is not
>>> that
>>> > much. I've run production VM's on my PC in a pinch and our
staff never
>>> > knew.
>>> >
>>> > What do you suggest Ben does?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Rogan Hamby <
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Hi Mark,
>>> >>
>>> >> There is a big difference between running a production
system on a
>>> >> desktop VM and playing with it. Running Evergreen in
Virtual Box is
>>> common
>>> >> for developers, documenters, etc....
>>> >>
>>> >> And it's important for those who don't have a systems
background that
>>> a
>>> >> VM in a server environment and throwing up a VM on a
desktop with
>>> limited
>>> >> resources are very different things.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Mark Ehle
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Not at all dubious, Rogan. We run Sirsi Symphony as a VM
and have
>>> been
>>> >>> for years. We pretty much don't run our servers on
anything else
>>> *but*
>>> >>> VM's. It's just how things are done now. I've run
Evergreen in
>>> Virtual Box
>>> >>> (totally free) on my PC to play with it and it works just
fine.
>>> Given a
>>> >>> decent enough PC,mainly enough memory, I'm sure you could run
>>> Evergreen on
>>> >>> a VM for a few clients for a small library.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Rogan Hamby <
>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Hi Ben,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> This was alluded to but to be clear, Evergreen isn't Windows
>>> software.
>>> >>>> Evergreen was built to run on Linux and is commonly run
on Debian
>>> though I
>>> >>>> know it's used successfully on other distributions as well.
>>> Honestly, as
>>> >>>> much as I love to spread the love of Evergreen from what
I can
>>> infer from
>>> >>>> your post I don't think this would be the right
direction for you.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Running a production system on a VM is dubious though
possible but
>>> then
>>> >>>> connecting clients, doing the configuration, etc...
these are going
>>> to
>>> >>>> require a big investment of time and energy on the part
of staff.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Ben T.
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Hello All,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I volunteer for a tiny library that is growing. At
this point
>>> we're
>>> >>>>> looking for a way to manage our check-outs/returns some
way more
>>> efficient
>>> >>>>> than paper and pencil. Evergreen seems like it could
be a good
>>> solution
>>> >>>>> for us, however we are not able to afford a server at
this point
>>> nor a
>>> >>>>> subscription (we basically have no money). Is there
any way
>>> (hopefully a
>>> >>>>> simple one) to run Evergreen just on a single Windows
(7) machine,
>>> keeping
>>> >>>>> the catalog and patron information locally?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>>> >>>>> Ben
>>> >>>>> Librarian Volunteer
>>> >>>>> Kendall Clawson Library
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> p.s. I am decently tech savvy, but not VERY tech
savvy. I won't be
>>> >>>>> able to do any major amount of coding on my own.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>>> >>>> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>>> >>>> York County Library System
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book
long enough
>>> to
>>> >>>> suit me.”
>>> >>>> ― C.S. Lewis <
>>> http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
>>> >> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
>>> >> York County Library System
>>> >>
>>> >> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book
long enough to
>>> >> suit me.”
>>> >> ― C.S. Lewis
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Rogan Hamby, MLS, CCNP, MIA
> Managers Headquarters Library and Reference Services,
> York County Library System
>
> “You can never get a cup of tea large enough or a book long
enough to suit
> me.”
> ― C.S. Lewis
<http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/1069006.C_S_Lewis>
>
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