This is well OT now, sorry. But hey: it's Sunday.
> FWIW, I didn't read it as too terribly negative... Well yeah. I was a bit taken aback by Jeff's post, to be honest. If I was one to care or be worried about such things, I'd suggest he was rather out of line with his comments. But I'll bite... Here's what happened, from my perspective: * I stated I was getting a bit frustrated with the bugs I'm finding in OBD because if I'm finding bugs @ such a fundamental level as <cfoutput> and <cfreturn>, it concerns me what else I might find, and accordingly am questioning whether - from my perspective - whether OBD qualifies as "production ready". People can disagree with that idea as much as they like, and put a case forward as to why they think I'm wrong, and that's fine. But I am entitled to my opinion. I also thought it would be "helpful" for the OBD guys to hear it: surely they want to here the bad experiences along with the good. I did not simply post it get have a go at them (and I'm sure it was not worded in a way that sound like I was having a go at them). * I followed that up with a genuine comment that I find OBD to be on the whole an impressive project, and the people here very helpful & (positively) reactive when I have issues. * I described the two bugs, and gave repro cases for them. I stated that whilst I was concerned about the first one, the second one was no great shakes. I made no demands about getting them fixed, all I did was bring them to everyone's attention. * Matt pitched in with his take on the stability of OBD. Fair enough. Our mileage (and perhaps expectations) varies. * Peter pitches in with a similar line, and points out how quickly OBD fixes its issues. I have no issue with anything he wrote, so omitted him from my follow-up comments (so not ignoring you Peter ;-) * Alan responds in what seems like a fairly defensive manner (but that could just be my reading of it, and I'm not bothered either way really), dismissing my concerns as being heat of the moment, and then proceeds to try to justify the second bug I raised as being down to [well, you can read it above]. He also accepts the second bug without question, and fixes it. Cool! * In response to Matt I accept his position, but re-iterate mine. I don't believe his experiences necessarily negate mine. * I take Alan to task a bit on his justifications of why the second bug isn't such a bug. This is because his rationalisation whilst having the veneer of sense to it, is pretty much (IMO) bogus. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: any rationalisation of a potential bug that is along the lines of "well I don't like writing code like that [because...]" is simply invalid. Coding style is just too subjective to be used in this sort of rationalisation. And when the basis for the "[because]" bit is just wrong - that pound signs are for resolving variables and that's all - then, yes, I will take the person to task. So I did. However I didn't do it in a rude or even abrupt fashion. * Jeff chimes in with a fairly bewildering stab at me. Now... anyone should feel free to point out where this is wrong, but I don't see *anywhere* where I am sarcastic at anyone, diss them in any way (oh, I diss Adobe slightly re their docs regarding using pound- signs), or depart from a polite, chatty and on the whole friendly tone. Equally I made if very clear that I think the OBD guys and the product they have produced is good stuff. But I happen to also think it has a degree of bugs that make me cautious about using it. And I disagree with Alan's rationalisations about the pound-sign issue. What's wrong with that? I mean you can disgaree with me, but me having that opinion does not make me rude, sarcastic or something akin to Shrek's evil twin (although if my ears were a bit bigger and I was green... hmmm...). Some people seem to think that one person disagreeing with someone else is automatically rude. This is not true, put bluntly. So, really, if anyone's been rude to anyone, it's Alan being dismissive of my concerns, and then Jeff tearing into me personally for no valid reason I can see. But I don't mind Alan's comments as I know there was no malice in them, and Jeff's posting doesn't bother me either because it's just unnecessary and slightly daft, and says more about him than it does about me. Oops, there you go: that's the first negatively-toned thing I have said on this thread. Best I leave it there, eh? Cheers. -- Adam -- Open BlueDragon Public Mailing List http://www.openbluedragon.org/ http://twitter.com/OpenBlueDragon online manual: http://www.openbluedragon.org/manual/ mailing list - http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en
