On 10/06/2017 02:10 AM, Linas Vepstas wrote:
it would be nice to have a fast crisp prover so that the system could jump to conclusions, and pln more slowly in the background.

Yes, even for our rule engine alone there is a benefit to that. On top of being faster to evaluate, crisp rules tend to have less premises than their probabilistic counterparts.

Then the question is how to set the TV of these conclusions. If the axioms are crisps with (stv 1 1) or (stv 0 1), then the conclusions would be (stv 1 1) or (stv 0 1). But if the axioms are non-crisp, then I guess the crisp rules could set (stv 1 Epsilon) or (stv 0 Epsilon), just to express that something is possibly true or false. Or else we can create a new TV type for it.

Nil


On Oct 4, 2017 5:45 PM, "'Nil Geisweiller' via opencog" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    On 10/04/2017 11:02 AM, Linas Vepstas wrote>     And can implement
    algorithms in the graph database-agnostic way and

             use all the industrial power of the best database available.
             Scientists do use commercial off-the-shelf computers for
        HPC, why
             not to use industrial software? And similar things we can
        say about
             use of external reasoners (linear logic, Coq, Isabelle, etc.).


        If you can attach coq to tinkerpop and make it work ... sure.
        But you would probably have to completely rewrite both coq and
        gremlin in order to do this.  And that is a huge amount of work.


    I never tried Coq or Isabelle, but the provers I've tried (E and
    Vampire) were using resolution
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_(logic)
    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_(logic)>, which doesn't
    work for a para-consistent logic like PLN, at least not
    out-of-the-box. On top of that PLN is probabilistic (or even
    meta-probabilistic we could say). These make it difficult or at best
    unnatural to use traditional automatic theorem provers. Maybe
    there's an easy way, or a more general framework that I missed, but
    that was my impression when I studied the domain.

    Nil

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