Many of these examples have to do with the 7+/-2 limitation of human (and many other animals') short-term/working memory capacity, which is a significant factor in human cognition but doesn't constrain human long-term memory capacity...
ben On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 7:50 AM, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2018 at 4:30 PM, 'Nil Geisweiller' via opencog > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hehe :-D >> >> Maybe Linas means incompressible things. > > > Some examples: > - Link grammar knows 10K words. Link grammar is not intelligent > - My dog knows 10 words. Humans are not 10K / 10 = 1000 times smarter than > a dog. > - The book: "Everything I need to know I learned in 2nd grade" list things > like "don't take other peoples toys" and "don't push". The book lists maybe > 12 things, that you should have learned in second grade, but apparently many > adults did not. > -- There are 10 commandments, not 10000 commandments. > -- Any book on "Executive Management Tips from Great CEO's" or "Defensive > Strategies for Basketball", or "How to Sew a Quilt" or "Music and the Brain: > What Scientists Know about Music" will list 10 to 20 items, not 10000 of > them. > -- School exams contain 5-20 questions, not 10000 questions. > > That's the typical human-scale number of conceptual ideas that humans work > with: dozens. Over a lifetime, you can absorb many, many of these > knowledge-bundles, but you cannot absorb one thousand of them. > > --linas >> >> >> Nil >> >> On 03/17/2018 05:34 PM, Linas Vepstas wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 10:56 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> This thread has gone a weird-ass direction... >>> >>> Of course an adult human knows way more than 10K things but I don't >>> >>> >>> Oh come on Ben. Of course a single human cannot know that much. That's an >>> absurdity. Humans are stupid. >>> >>> --linas >>> >>> even have time just now to scroll up and see how the conversation got >>> here !!! >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 10:30 PM, Linas Vepstas >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> > ?? >>> > >>> > I'm pretty sure I know a lot more than 10000 words. That is not >>> at all >>> > comparable to knowing 10000 things. Knowing 20000 words is >>> comparable to >>> > knowing maybe 500 things. How, exactly, are you measuring >>> knowledge? >>> > >>> > --linas >>> > >>> > On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 3:47 PM, Alexey Potapov >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> No human can remember 10000 of anything whatsoever. The human >>> brain is >>> >>> just simply not that big. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Please, stop making such stupid claims. This is so obviously >>> wrong that >>> >> I'm not sure if there is any sense to argue. "No human", "10000 >>> of >>> >> anything", "not that big"??? I will not refer to eidetic memory >>> possessed >>> >> also by some chess players... Just consider words. Normally, >>> people use few >>> >> thousands words, but writers use several tens thousands. Chinese >>> writers can >>> >> use more than 10000. Polyglots can speak more than 10 languages >>> up to (or >>> >> more than) 1000 in which. Not sure how exactly much foreign >>> words they can >>> >> remember, but even if it is just several thousands, it doesn't >>> make a >>> >> principal difference. So, can't humans remember 10000 words?.. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "opencog" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> > email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:opencog%[email protected]>. >>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog >>> <https://groups.google.com/group/opencog>. >>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>> > >>> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA370iHqyqjsGLJQBU9BSMq%3Dgk4tLRGmEhT2u65NAt7nP%3Dg%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA370iHqyqjsGLJQBU9BSMq%3Dgk4tLRGmEhT2u65NAt7nP%3Dg%40mail.gmail.com>. >>> > >>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD >>> http://goertzel.org >>> >>> "In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or >>> becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and >>> experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. >>> In >>> the mind, there are no limits.... In the province of connected minds, >>> what the network believes to be true, either is true or becomes true >>> within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. >>> These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. 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