Yes, well there are many prediction market platforms out there, like PredictIt and Gnosis etc. but all of them just have events and the collective is estimating the probability that each of these events is taking on each of N outcomes; who will get elected the next president of the United States, will there be an earthquake of a certain magnitude in California this year ...etc. but non of them allow for various forms of probabilistic arguments and synergy between them. Also few allow even for connected events with conditional probabilities; some do. In any case, I think that one thing that makes opencog so special in Artificial Intelligence is the flexibility of expressing arguments; I'm trying to accomplish the same for collectives of humans interacting with machine intelligence to create probabilistic structures of connected beliefs of various logical kinds; allowing them to form intricate belief systems that act in synergy; the machine should then be able to help with inference. In other words, people should be able to decide the axioms of what is true and why and with what probabilities, as well as the ethics of the system and the attention that should be paid to various parts of the system etc. and the machine can then run inferences about what else these statements jointly imply and the importance of these implications to those things that the humans in the system deem to be important.
On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 10:37:32 AM UTC, Nil wrote: > > On 12/13/18 10:18 AM, Johannes Castner wrote: > > cognition. What we are trying to do is to elicit logical beliefs from tr > > people directly and with the help of technology (inferences etc) to let > > them collectively decide what are the right relationships, > > attention-values and truth-values via something similar but more general > > than prediction markets; markets and democratic institutions with > > emergent collective general intelligence. As far as I understand > > MindAgents, we're essentially trying to have humans take the role of > > MindAgents for decision making and understanding systems. Essentially, > > I think that there hasn't been nearly enough innovation and work to > > improve markets and democracy. Markets are not just aggregating > > beliefs, they are also giving more power to those who have fewer > > economic constraints and democracy currently has no incentives for > > people to vote for those things that they belief will serve the whole > > collective but rather the incentives are to care only about one's own > > narrowly defined groups. Also, I'm thinking that if the singularity > > were to have humans in the loop and we could all work effectively > > together to solve complex problems then it would be more human friendly > > as well? In other words, while jobs as we know them are being > > automated we could be creative and solve problems together instead of > > working bagging groceries. I believe instinctively that we all have > > something to contribute when it comes to solving complex decision > > problems and I intent to test my instincts and then prove these ideas to > > others. Is that making sense to you? > > Sounds awesome, makes total sense to me. > > I can vaguely recall seeing a platform to aggregate people's believes to > help predict stuff, but I forgot the name. So what you describe sounds > like something like that combined with some AI synergy. > > Nil > > > > > Johannes > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 5:58:31 AM UTC, Nil wrote: > > > > On 12/12/18 12:59 PM, Johannes Castner wrote: > > > I want to thank you for your help; without it I'd really be stuck > > right > > > now! Maybe I can contribute an example to the example folder > once I > > > have my module completed. > > > > Yes, that is very welcome. > > > > > Mind Agents of sorts. Working on hacking something workable for > a > > > minimum viable product for a service I'm trying to provide as a > > > commercial application of OpenCog ...right now something very > > hacky and > > > minimal will suffice to work as something from which to get first > > > customers and then some investment so that then I have some > > resources to > > > contribute as much as possible to OpenCog and to bend its > > capabilities a > > > bit in the direction of my interest: Collective General > > Intelligence. > > > Does that make sense? I'd greatly value your perspective! > > > > That's a great goal. By Collective General Intelligence you mean > > something like Distributed General Intelligence? Sounds a bit like > what > > SingularityNET is trying to achieve. > > > > Nil > > > > > > > > Johannes > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 5:49:47 AM UTC, Nil wrote: > > > > > > On 12/11/18 8:37 PM, Johannes Castner wrote: > > > > What I’d like to do is just find the last value; I won’t > know > > > what the value is so searching for a number isn’t what I need > > but > > > rather I need to search for a user (by name or ID) and then > > get her > > > current score and subtract or add something to it, according > > to some > > > user behavior. Ideally I’d have a function update_score(user, > > > number), which gets the last score and then adds or subtracts > or > > > multiplied or divides that score by the supplied number. > > Does that > > > make sense? > > > > > > If all you need is the last value then, for now, I would > > recommend to > > > attach a Value (cog-set-value!, etc) to your user id, as I > > initially > > > presented. > > > > > > Nil > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > Groups "opencog" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > > send > > > an email to [email protected] <javascript:> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:>>. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > <javascript:> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:>>. > > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog > > <https://groups.google.com/group/opencog>. > > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/c01e0e4b-d02f-4ab3-bb04-f64755335992%40googlegroups.com > > > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/c01e0e4b-d02f-4ab3-bb04-f64755335992%40googlegroups.com> > > > > > > > > > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/c01e0e4b-d02f-4ab3-bb04-f64755335992%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer > > > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/c01e0e4b-d02f-4ab3-bb04-f64755335992%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>>. > > > > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "opencog" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > > an email to [email protected] <javascript:> > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:>>. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <javascript:> > > <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:>>. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/47c88db9-2c42-4697-853c-6959c84d8f7b%40googlegroups.com > > > < > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/47c88db9-2c42-4697-853c-6959c84d8f7b%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. 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