Hi Nil, 

How is the negation-introduction-rule invoked?  

I'm doing the following:

(define p (PredicateNode "p" (stv 0.6 0.8)))

(negation-introduction-rule p)

and then I'm getting this error:

ERROR: Wrong type to apply: (BindLink
   (TypedVariableLink
      (VariableNode "$X")
      (TypeChoice
         (TypeNode "EvaluationLink")
         (TypeNode "InheritanceLink")
         (TypeNode "PredicateNode")
         (TypeNode "ConceptNode")
      )
   )
   (AndLink
      (VariableNode "$X")
      (EvaluationLink
         (GroundedPredicateNode "scm: gt-zero-confidence")
         (VariableNode "$X")
      )
   )
   (ExecutionOutputLink
      (GroundedSchemaNode "scm: negation-introduction-formula")
      (ListLink
         (NotLink
            (VariableNode "$X")
         )
         (VariableNode "$X")
      )
   )
)


On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 6:59:41 AM UTC, Nil wrote:
>
> Hi Johannes, 
>
> On 12/13/18 6:08 PM, Johannes Castner wrote: 
> > I have a question about predicates and truth values:  How is it said in 
> > PLN that if predicate p has (stv 0.6 1) then Not p should obviously have 
> > (stv 0.4 1) right ...if it is true that being fast has certain 
> > probability 0.6 then not being fast should automatically be assigned 
> > certain probability 0.4 right?  Or am I wrong? 
>
> Correct. 
>
> See 
>
>
> https://github.com/opencog/opencog/blob/master/opencog/pln/rules/wip/negation-introduction.scm
>  
>
> Soon you'll be able to use pln by loading the pln module in say scheme 
>
> ``` 
> (use-modules (opencog pln)) 
> ``` 
>
> and choose amongst some predefined rule sets. 
>
> It's not there yet however, the Not rule would not be loaded for 
> instance, the best is to configure your rule base yourself. See 
> https://wiki.opencog.org/w/URE_Configuration_Format for more 
> information (it's a bit outdated but still mostly relevant). See also 
> examples 
>
> https://github.com/opencog/atomspace/tree/master/examples/rule-engine 
> https://github.com/opencog/opencog/tree/master/examples/pln 
>
> Nil 
>
> > 
> > Johannes 
> > 
> > On Thursday, December 13, 2018 at 11:00:25 AM UTC, Nil wrote: 
> > 
> >     On 12/13/18 9:18 AM, Linas Vepstas wrote: 
> >      > So maybe use GPN's, but then "hide" them behind "well-known" 
> >      > DefinedPredicateNodes. 
> >      > Since they're defined, they could be used for reasoning.  I 
> >     dunno.  I 
> >      > still don't really 
> >      > know how to do reasoning ... 
> > 
> >     In principle reasoning can be performed on anything, even 
> >     GroundedPredicateNodes. All you need is to "axiomatize" them, for 
> >     instance if you want to say that `near` is symmetric you'd write 
> > 
> >     ImplicationScope (stv 1 1) 
> >         VariableList 
> >           Variable "$X" 
> >           Variable "$Y" 
> >         Evaluation 
> >           GroundedPredicate "near" 
> >           List 
> >             Variable "$X" 
> >             Variable "$Y" 
> >         Evaluation 
> >           GroundedPredicate "near" 
> >           List 
> >             Variable "$Y" 
> >             Variable "$X" 
> > 
> >     or if you already have higher knowledge about symmetry, maybe you'd 
> >     just write 
> > 
> >     Member (stv 1 1) 
> >         GroundedPredicate "near" 
> >         Concept "symmetric" 
> > 
> >     In practice I don't know how well the URE would chew on 
> >     GroundedPredicate though, as they have a special meaning to the 
> >     pattern matcher, as virtual clauses. Would need to try and fix what 
> >     needs to be fixed, quote what needs to be quoted, etc. Alexey and 
> his 
> >     team have already stumbled on that kind of problems when trying to 
> >     incorporate neural nets to the URE. 
> > 
> >     Nil 
> > 
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