Hi Sergei, On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 12:14 PM Sergei Kaunov <skau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Amused by your work, Linas, and you describe it very interesting. Where > should we watch further progress on the topic? > Thanks! Progress is hard, because several things have to happen in parallel. -- I (or you, or anyone else) has to think hard across multiple different difficult mathematical abstractions. -- Once I (or you, or anyone else) has some "great idea", it has to be transmitted to others, either by email or by writing papers. -- Others can understand those "great ideas" only if they have the appropriate mathematical background: in Ivan's case: hilbert-systems and natural deduction and proof theory and type theory and category theory and neural networks and deep learning and statistical mechanics (for example, the "objective function" that neural net guys love to minimize/maximize is exactly the same thing as a boltzmann distribution from statistical echanics) So my personal progress on the topic is blocked by the inability to communicate it to others. If you don't understand what I'm talking about, its deeply frustrating for me. (And this is symmetric: sometimes, I am told about great ideas, which I don't understand, because I lack the background knowledge) -- A "great idea" is great only if it *actually works*. And, here, that means (a) writing software (b) running experiments (c) analyzing data. (d) describing experimental results to others. So, not only are steps a,b,c, extremely time consuming, but step (d) is often mis-understood/neglected, because the intended audience didn't understand why the experiment is important. -- After you've conquered steps a,b,c,d then and only then can you do step e) build an insanely great demo that will wow everyone who sees it, even if they are a complete moron. For example, "deep fakes". You don't need math to know that something unusual is happening there. The pressure I'm under, that I feel, is that I've got a collection of "great ideas", I'm trying to articulate them, having trouble finding an audience, struggling with steps a,b,c,d and meanwhile everyone is shouting out loud "you guys are a bunch of losers because you don't have step e) you suck!" and dealing with the psychological and financial fallout from that. I'm not unique, here -- most researchers/scientists deal with these same issue. The commonly accepted solution for this is to create collaborations and teams -- "division of labor" -- and tehre's chicken-and-egg problems to solving that, also. --linas > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to opencog@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/0b258284-cb0c-45ae-8d34-9f74d7ee00f9%40googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- cassette tapes - analog TV - film cameras - you -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to opencog@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA355QGo1zA8oCUZ3guEwMFymqJ7-PA5ydTJdMx2Sf%2B-ypQ%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
