The functionality provided by URE is very much needed, but the current
"division of labor" between URE, Pattern Matcher, {scripts written in
(usually) Scheme invoking Pattern Matcher, URE and Atomspace API
directly} , and code written to ground GroundedSchemaNodes and
GroundedPredicateNodes -- seems suboptimal in various ways. All
these functions are needed but we are exploring organizing them
differently...
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:03 AM Ivan V. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Considering the new version of Atomese being a functional language, may I ask
> what happens to URE (unified rule engine)? URE was one of the concepts I
> liked very much in OpenCog.
>
> čet, 17. ruj 2020. u 01:54 Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> napisao je:
>>
>> I like Julia for ML and numerical analysis stuff, definitely ... big
>> improvement over python...
>>
>> We are in the midst of designing a new version of the "Atomese"
>> language which will be a functional language w/ gradual typing &
>> dependent higher order types ... but this will play for Hyperon more
>> of the role that {Scheme + Atomese} play in the current OpenCog
>> ecosystem, whereas Rust (if we go that direction) will play for
>> Hyperon more the role that C++ plays for the current OpenCog system
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:44 PM Noah Bliss <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > Rust will be great. Especially for the less-frequently-modified components
>> > like the atomspace.
>> >
>> > I don't know if it would fit the bill as well for the other more volatile
>> > components.
>> >
>> > Opencog is not distributed as a binary and is rapidly modified. The
>> > primary development seems to be in the source code going in, and changes
>> > to that require lengthy recompile times. Making humans wait wastes their
>> > time and development potential. By having a highly-readable source code,
>> > we can make this development more rapid from development, experimentation,
>> > and execution perspectives. Julia can be static compiled if needed, it's
>> > not efficient from a file size perspective, but it's just as fast and I
>> > think rapid development and readable code offsets that easily, especially
>> > for developers just joining the project.
>> >
>> > Julia has phenomenal GPU support. It can leverage GPU memory and
>> > processors easily using native data structures. Allowing us to very easily
>> > scale out into high parallelization. Both for storage and processing.
>> >
>> > Julia's images library shows great potential for a future ML vision system
>> > as it can store entire images as a vector data structure, allowing us to
>> > apply very flexible analytics to the input information.
>> >
>> > ML libraries have already been built in Julia.
>> > https://github.com/FluxML/Flux.jl is the first that comes to mind, but
>> > others certainly exist.
>> >
>> > I don't want to be in denial. Fantastic code in rust would probably be
>> > more distributable and efficient than Julia, and if opencog ever went to a
>> > "release" type system it would be a great idea for all the components, but
>> > from my observations it seems Atomspace 2 will be the main "OK now we're
>> > serious" development area. It seems likely to me there will be an
>> > atomspace 3 once the science is perfected, but if rapid development is a
>> > priority for this stage of the project, it might be worth an evaluation.
>> >
>> > Can't wait to see the next evolution of Opencog!
>> > On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 7:28:02 PM UTC-4 Ben Goertzel wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We have been seriously considering Rust for new distributed Atomspace
>> >> code, assuming the latter gets written...
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:16 PM Noah Bliss <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > To this end, has any thought been given to other implementation
>> >> > languages? Julialang seems to have a very strong userbase in the
>> >> > research field, is easy to pick up like Python, JIT so long compile
>> >> > times are generally a non-issue, and it executes with near-C levels of
>> >> > performance.
>> >> >
>> >> > Just my 0.02, curious to see how this discussion develops.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:51:52 PM UTC-4 Ben Goertzel wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sorry to hear about your logistical hassles -- but good to hear from
>> >> >> you and know you're still around...!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We are doing a from-the-round rethink and redesign ... whether this
>> >> >> leads to a from-the-ground rewrite or not is still an open question...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As for the name of the hypothetical in-progress new version it's
>> >> >> "OpenCog Hyperon" for now... I am reserving "OpenCog Tachyon" for the
>> >> >> future closed-timelike-loop based version ;)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:47 PM Curtis Michael Faith
>> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The name and project need a ground up rewrite using lessons that
>> >> >> > Kenny Kasajian knows better than anyone. I am trying to get Kenny to
>> >> >> > help me build a team from the OpenCog project but I've been busy
>> >> >> > with trying to stay alive as I lost my wallet in Manchester, NH and
>> >> >> > IDs and haven't been able to open a new bank account since I left
>> >> >> > Portland 10 months ago. I have checks piling up I can't cash and had
>> >> >> > to really get clevver to live...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:43 PM Curtis Michael Faith
>> >> >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> So... the Open Cog project is run in academia and not really good
>> >> >> >> software land. AI is too specialized and HUGE you can't expect
>> >> >> >> someone who is successful to have time to do it right.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I suggest you forget the name OpenCog. Forget the code. Forget
>> >> >> >> Ben's first prototypes. Think Think think
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> we really all need to sit down together someplace in Europe or
>> >> >> >> Korea... perhaps
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 1:06 PM Ben Goertzel <[email protected]>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Hi all,
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> If anyone wants to dig deeper into recent thinking by myself,
>> >> >> >>> Alexey
>> >> >> >>> Potapov and multiple colleagues on an in-progress (still very early
>> >> >> >>> stage) new OpenCog version, OpenCog Hyperon, we have put a bunch of
>> >> >> >>> docs on the wiki linked from here
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> https://wiki.opencog.org/w/Hyperon#OpenCog_Hyperon
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Bear in mind these are mostly early-stage raw discussion documents
>> >> >> >>> not
>> >> >> >>> refined specs or anything like that. We are sharing aspects of our
>> >> >> >>> thought-process-so-far with a view toward soliciting feedback and
>> >> >> >>> potentially participation...
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> thanks
>> >> >> >>> ben
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --
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>> >> >> >>> http://goertzel.org
>> >> >> >>>
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>> >> >>
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