Hello everyone, i'm Michele, a master's degree student in computer
engineering at the University of Padua,
fascinated by the point of view of OpenCog on the idea to build AGIs (GPT-3
doesn't seem the right way).
I don't think it's the correct section to ask,
but I would like to approach this project in some way (master's thesis to
begin with), but the link https://opencog.org/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi
returns "Account Suspended"..
What happened?
Il giorno giovedì 17 settembre 2020 alle 16:34:53 UTC+2 Ben Goertzel ha
scritto:
> The functionality provided by URE is very much needed, but the current
> "division of labor" between URE, Pattern Matcher, {scripts written in
> (usually) Scheme invoking Pattern Matcher, URE and Atomspace API
> directly} , and code written to ground GroundedSchemaNodes and
> GroundedPredicateNodes -- seems suboptimal in various ways. All
> these functions are needed but we are exploring organizing them
> differently...
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:03 AM Ivan V. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Considering the new version of Atomese being a functional language, may
> I ask what happens to URE (unified rule engine)? URE was one of the
> concepts I liked very much in OpenCog.
> >
> > čet, 17. ruj 2020. u 01:54 Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> napisao je:
> >>
> >> I like Julia for ML and numerical analysis stuff, definitely ... big
> >> improvement over python...
> >>
> >> We are in the midst of designing a new version of the "Atomese"
> >> language which will be a functional language w/ gradual typing &
> >> dependent higher order types ... but this will play for Hyperon more
> >> of the role that {Scheme + Atomese} play in the current OpenCog
> >> ecosystem, whereas Rust (if we go that direction) will play for
> >> Hyperon more the role that C++ plays for the current OpenCog system
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:44 PM Noah Bliss <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Rust will be great. Especially for the less-frequently-modified
> components like the atomspace.
> >> >
> >> > I don't know if it would fit the bill as well for the other more
> volatile components.
> >> >
> >> > Opencog is not distributed as a binary and is rapidly modified. The
> primary development seems to be in the source code going in, and changes to
> that require lengthy recompile times. Making humans wait wastes their time
> and development potential. By having a highly-readable source code, we can
> make this development more rapid from development, experimentation, and
> execution perspectives. Julia can be static compiled if needed, it's not
> efficient from a file size perspective, but it's just as fast and I think
> rapid development and readable code offsets that easily, especially for
> developers just joining the project.
> >> >
> >> > Julia has phenomenal GPU support. It can leverage GPU memory and
> processors easily using native data structures. Allowing us to very easily
> scale out into high parallelization. Both for storage and processing.
> >> >
> >> > Julia's images library shows great potential for a future ML vision
> system as it can store entire images as a vector data structure, allowing
> us to apply very flexible analytics to the input information.
> >> >
> >> > ML libraries have already been built in Julia.
> https://github.com/FluxML/Flux.jl is the first that comes to mind, but
> others certainly exist.
> >> >
> >> > I don't want to be in denial. Fantastic code in rust would probably
> be more distributable and efficient than Julia, and if opencog ever went to
> a "release" type system it would be a great idea for all the components,
> but from my observations it seems Atomspace 2 will be the main "OK now
> we're serious" development area. It seems likely to me there will be an
> atomspace 3 once the science is perfected, but if rapid development is a
> priority for this stage of the project, it might be worth an evaluation.
> >> >
> >> > Can't wait to see the next evolution of Opencog!
> >> > On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 7:28:02 PM UTC-4 Ben Goertzel
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> We have been seriously considering Rust for new distributed Atomspace
> >> >> code, assuming the latter gets written...
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:16 PM Noah Bliss <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > To this end, has any thought been given to other implementation
> languages? Julialang seems to have a very strong userbase in the research
> field, is easy to pick up like Python, JIT so long compile times are
> generally a non-issue, and it executes with near-C levels of performance.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Just my 0.02, curious to see how this discussion develops.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:51:52 PM UTC-4 Ben Goertzel
> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sorry to hear about your logistical hassles -- but good to hear
> from
> >> >> >> you and know you're still around...!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> We are doing a from-the-round rethink and redesign ... whether
> this
> >> >> >> leads to a from-the-ground rewrite or not is still an open
> question...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As for the name of the hypothetical in-progress new version it's
> >> >> >> "OpenCog Hyperon" for now... I am reserving "OpenCog Tachyon" for
> the
> >> >> >> future closed-timelike-loop based version ;)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:47 PM Curtis Michael Faith
> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The name and project need a ground up rewrite using lessons
> that Kenny Kasajian knows better than anyone. I am trying to get Kenny to
> help me build a team from the OpenCog project but I've been busy with
> trying to stay alive as I lost my wallet in Manchester, NH and IDs and
> haven't been able to open a new bank account since I left Portland 10
> months ago. I have checks piling up I can't cash and had to really get
> clevver to live...
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:43 PM Curtis Michael Faith <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> So... the Open Cog project is run in academia and not really
> good software land. AI is too specialized and HUGE you can't expect someone
> who is successful to have time to do it right.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I suggest you forget the name OpenCog. Forget the code. Forget
> Ben's first prototypes. Think Think think
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> we really all need to sit down together someplace in Europe or
> Korea... perhaps
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 1:06 PM Ben Goertzel <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Hi all,
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> If anyone wants to dig deeper into recent thinking by myself,
> Alexey
> >> >> >> >>> Potapov and multiple colleagues on an in-progress (still very
> early
> >> >> >> >>> stage) new OpenCog version, OpenCog Hyperon, we have put a
> bunch of
> >> >> >> >>> docs on the wiki linked from here
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> https://wiki.opencog.org/w/Hyperon#OpenCog_Hyperon
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Bear in mind these are mostly early-stage raw discussion
> documents not
> >> >> >> >>> refined specs or anything like that. We are sharing aspects
> of our
> >> >> >> >>> thought-process-so-far with a view toward soliciting feedback
> and
> >> >> >> >>> potentially participation...
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> thanks
> >> >> >> >>> ben
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >> >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD
> >> >> >> >>> http://goertzel.org
> >> >> >> >>>
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> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Ben Goertzel, PhD
> >> >> >> http://goertzel.org
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to
> >> >> >> live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the
> same
> >> >> >> time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but
> burn,
> >> >> >> burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like
> spiders
> >> >> >> across the stars.” -- Jack Kerouac
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> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >> http://goertzel.org
> >> >>
> >> >> “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to
> >> >> live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the
> same
> >> >> time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn,
> >> >> burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders
> >> >> across the stars.” -- Jack Kerouac
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> >>
> >> “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to
> >> live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same
> >> time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn,
> >> burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders
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> “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to
> live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same
> time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn,
> burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders
> across the stars.” -- Jack Kerouac
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