Thank you Ben! :) PS check your fb sometime regarding consciousness architecture and see if there's anything in the group chat that may help contribute towards hyperon (warning: it's a very very long chat, but also feel free to lurk still for any future "rosetta stone" moments!)
<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 4:25 PM Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: > We're fixing it! > > Welcome ;) > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:42 AM Michele Thiella <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, i'm Michele, a master's degree student in computer > engineering at the University of Padua, > > fascinated by the point of view of OpenCog on the idea to build AGIs > (GPT-3 doesn't seem the right way). > > I don't think it's the correct section to ask, > > but I would like to approach this project in some way (master's thesis > to begin with), but the link https://opencog.org/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi > returns "Account Suspended".. > > What happened? > > > > Il giorno giovedì 17 settembre 2020 alle 16:34:53 UTC+2 Ben Goertzel ha > scritto: > >> > >> The functionality provided by URE is very much needed, but the current > >> "division of labor" between URE, Pattern Matcher, {scripts written in > >> (usually) Scheme invoking Pattern Matcher, URE and Atomspace API > >> directly} , and code written to ground GroundedSchemaNodes and > >> GroundedPredicateNodes -- seems suboptimal in various ways. All > >> these functions are needed but we are exploring organizing them > >> differently... > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 6:03 AM Ivan V. <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > Considering the new version of Atomese being a functional language, > may I ask what happens to URE (unified rule engine)? URE was one of the > concepts I liked very much in OpenCog. > >> > > >> > čet, 17. ruj 2020. u 01:54 Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> napisao > je: > >> >> > >> >> I like Julia for ML and numerical analysis stuff, definitely ... big > >> >> improvement over python... > >> >> > >> >> We are in the midst of designing a new version of the "Atomese" > >> >> language which will be a functional language w/ gradual typing & > >> >> dependent higher order types ... but this will play for Hyperon more > >> >> of the role that {Scheme + Atomese} play in the current OpenCog > >> >> ecosystem, whereas Rust (if we go that direction) will play for > >> >> Hyperon more the role that C++ plays for the current OpenCog system > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:44 PM Noah Bliss <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Rust will be great. Especially for the less-frequently-modified > components like the atomspace. > >> >> > > >> >> > I don't know if it would fit the bill as well for the other more > volatile components. > >> >> > > >> >> > Opencog is not distributed as a binary and is rapidly modified. > The primary development seems to be in the source code going in, and > changes to that require lengthy recompile times. Making humans wait wastes > their time and development potential. By having a highly-readable source > code, we can make this development more rapid from development, > experimentation, and execution perspectives. Julia can be static compiled > if needed, it's not efficient from a file size perspective, but it's just > as fast and I think rapid development and readable code offsets that > easily, especially for developers just joining the project. > >> >> > > >> >> > Julia has phenomenal GPU support. It can leverage GPU memory and > processors easily using native data structures. Allowing us to very easily > scale out into high parallelization. Both for storage and processing. > >> >> > > >> >> > Julia's images library shows great potential for a future ML > vision system as it can store entire images as a vector data structure, > allowing us to apply very flexible analytics to the input information. > >> >> > > >> >> > ML libraries have already been built in Julia. > https://github.com/FluxML/Flux.jl is the first that comes to mind, but > others certainly exist. > >> >> > > >> >> > I don't want to be in denial. Fantastic code in rust would > probably be more distributable and efficient than Julia, and if opencog > ever went to a "release" type system it would be a great idea for all the > components, but from my observations it seems Atomspace 2 will be the main > "OK now we're serious" development area. It seems likely to me there will > be an atomspace 3 once the science is perfected, but if rapid development > is a priority for this stage of the project, it might be worth an > evaluation. > >> >> > > >> >> > Can't wait to see the next evolution of Opencog! > >> >> > On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 7:28:02 PM UTC-4 Ben Goertzel > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We have been seriously considering Rust for new distributed > Atomspace > >> >> >> code, assuming the latter gets written... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 4:16 PM Noah Bliss <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > To this end, has any thought been given to other implementation > languages? Julialang seems to have a very strong userbase in the research > field, is easy to pick up like Python, JIT so long compile times are > generally a non-issue, and it executes with near-C levels of performance. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Just my 0.02, curious to see how this discussion develops. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 8:51:52 PM UTC-4 Ben Goertzel > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Sorry to hear about your logistical hassles -- but good to > hear from > >> >> >> >> you and know you're still around...! > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> We are doing a from-the-round rethink and redesign ... whether > this > >> >> >> >> leads to a from-the-ground rewrite or not is still an open > question... > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> As for the name of the hypothetical in-progress new version > it's > >> >> >> >> "OpenCog Hyperon" for now... I am reserving "OpenCog Tachyon" > for the > >> >> >> >> future closed-timelike-loop based version ;) > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:47 PM Curtis Michael Faith > >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The name and project need a ground up rewrite using lessons > that Kenny Kasajian knows better than anyone. I am trying to get Kenny to > help me build a team from the OpenCog project but I've been busy with > trying to stay alive as I lost my wallet in Manchester, NH and IDs and > haven't been able to open a new bank account since I left Portland 10 > months ago. I have checks piling up I can't cash and had to really get > clevver to live... > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 7:43 PM Curtis Michael Faith < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> So... the Open Cog project is run in academia and not > really good software land. AI is too specialized and HUGE you can't expect > someone who is successful to have time to do it right. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> I suggest you forget the name OpenCog. Forget the code. > Forget Ben's first prototypes. Think Think think > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> we really all need to sit down together someplace in Europe > or Korea... perhaps > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 1:06 PM Ben Goertzel < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> Hi all, > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> If anyone wants to dig deeper into recent thinking by > myself, Alexey > >> >> >> >> >>> Potapov and multiple colleagues on an in-progress (still > very early > >> >> >> >> >>> stage) new OpenCog version, OpenCog Hyperon, we have put a > bunch of > >> >> >> >> >>> docs on the wiki linked from here > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> https://wiki.opencog.org/w/Hyperon#OpenCog_Hyperon > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> Bear in mind these are mostly early-stage raw discussion > documents not > >> >> >> >> >>> refined specs or anything like that. We are sharing > aspects of our > >> >> >> >> >>> thought-process-so-far with a view toward soliciting > feedback and > >> >> >> >> >>> potentially participation... > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> thanks > >> >> >> >> >>> ben > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >> >> >>> Ben Goertzel, PhD > >> >> >> >> >>> http://goertzel.org > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are > mad to > >> >> >> >> >>> live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything > at the same > >> >> >> >> >>> time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, > but burn, > >> >> >> >> >>> burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding > like spiders > >> >> >> >> >>> across the stars.” -- Jack Kerouac > >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >> >>> -- > >> >> >> >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to > the Google Groups "opencog" group. > >> >> >> >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails > from 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never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but > burn, > >> >> >> >> burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like > spiders > >> >> >> >> across the stars.” -- Jack Kerouac > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > -- > >> >> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "opencog" group. > >> >> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, send an email to [email protected]. > >> >> >> > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/6517ab72-dcc2-4e3d-9403-6298458ae84en%40googlegroups.com > . > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- > >> >> >> Ben Goertzel, PhD > >> >> >> http://goertzel.org > >> >> >> > >> >> >> “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to > >> >> >> live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the > same > >> >> >> time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but > burn, > >> >> >> burn, burn like fabulous yellow 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