Dear Tim,
    Following on Heathers email, I only wanted to stress the importance 
of bullet number 1: "after creating archetypes, now what?"
    But I fear that my "now what?" is rather different.
    I may not be completely up-to-speed, but I would say that the 
software released in openEHR, to date, does not allow to manage actual 
clinical data which adheres to these hundreds of archetypes available in 
the repository. I mean making persistent clinical data, which adheres to 
those archetypes, through the openEHR implementation. The persistent 
layer does not exist yet, or am I mistaken?
    A few months ago I was working on the java implementation of 
openEHR, and I exchanged a few emails with Rong.
    For people to be able to test and be interested in using openEHR, or 
another "two-level modeling" paradigm implementation for that matter, 
they need to be able to see it, and without the persistence layer, they 
can not see something actually somewhat usable (I'm sure it?s very 
_useful_, it?s just not _usable_ right now).
    A very simple "hello world" example, showing the whole life cycle of 
a very, very simple EHR is essential, I believe. If it has been created 
over that last few months and I missed, please correct me.
    Best regards,

Jes?s Bisbal

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Tim Cook wrote, on 02/02/2009 5:42:
> Hi All,
>
> [This posting is related to Tony Shannon's great email regarding the
> future of openEHR in 2009.  I think some of it relates to the technical
> list members as well so I have CC'd them.]
>
> Not wanting to hi-jack Tony's thread I started this one where I hope I
> have a few positive and possibly helpful suggestions.  Some of them may
> need funding to help protect some people's time and others are virtually
> cost free.
>
> I do have one negative comment and I'll get that out of the way first.
> As I have indicated, I believe that I will have more success working on
> some of the fringe areas of healthcare with openEHR.  Therefore I tend
> to talk to providers that are not in the main; primary care/family
> medicine/general practice areas.  I have been told by more than one of
> these folks that they didn't feel very welcome to participate on this
> (Clinical) list on issues that concerned their areas.  Whether it was
> lack of feedback on questions or actual comments about currently
> focusing on archetypes for more general medicine. A bit more
> consciousness about welcoming new people might be in order.  :-)   
>
> Now for a few positive suggestions for the group and for individuals.
> Some of you may already be doing some of these things but in my
> experience in building open source teams they have helped me.
>
> 1. There are more than 450 members registered on this (Clinical) list.
> With a few more than that on the technical list.  Many are duplicates
> (like myself).  I would guess that at least 75% of the Clinical list
> members have downloaded and tinkered with one of the archetype editors.
> Probably created a few and then said; Now what?
>   

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