Hi

I found Dr. Halamka's blog (http://geekdoctor.blogspot.com) a good resource
for US health IT related topics. He seems to be an influential person and
shares his views openly.

If you search his blog with ?meaningful? (
http://geekdoctor.blogspot.com/search?q=meaningful) there are many posts
showing how this topic evolved. In the most recent post he shares his view
on the requirements for meaningful use in the form of a presentation naming
standards and metrics from 25 projects.

-Thilo

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Ian McNicoll <
Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com> wrote:

> I haven't read any of this in detail but I would agree with Erik. If
> openEHR/EN13606 is to get any traction on the US this is likely to come from
> individual vendor interest rather than at govt level. We already have
> several professional bodies in the US using openEHR to model their
> professional standards and there are vendors / local providers such as VA,
> Kaiser and Intermountain who have a much better understanding of the
> challenges of growing and maintaining semantic coherence. We are just
> starting to be able to demonstrate that the archetype based approach has
> significant advantages in this highly complex area and is probably the only
> really scalable and controllable mechanism. The big interoperability success
> in the UK (GP2GP project) arose from close and continued vendor involvement
> with a very 'maximal dataset' like approach to the harmonisation of
> information structures.
>
> Ian
>
>
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>
> 2010/1/15 Erik Sundvall <erik.sundvall at liu.se>
>
> Hi!
>>
>> I read at
>> http://www.ehealtheurope.net/news/5531/va_and_kaiser_pilot_record_sharing
>> that VA and Kaiser are looking at sharing parts (or summaries) of
>> EHRs. A quote from the link:
>>
>>  ...Dr Robert M. Smith, chief of staff of the VA San Diego Healthcare
>> System,
>>  as comparing the importance of the electronic health information program
>>  to the first moon landing, "much like President Kennedy's charge, we're
>>  going to take President Obama's charge [to create a nationwide EHR
>>  system] and move forward quickly."...
>>
>> If they move past summaries and are serious about sharing complete
>> records later they will sooner or later (probably) come to the
>> conclusion that one needs to agree on semantics at the point of data
>> entry instead of only at the point of exchange if one wants to avoid
>> the need for manual reinterpretation for every record exchange. (The
>> conversion task of complete EHRs will in many cases not have an
>> algorithmic solution, and thus no matter the number or quality of
>> standards they choose/create for exchange, a computer system won't be
>> able to solve it safely.)
>>
>> When they the conclusion above, then openEHRs approach to the "moon
>> landing" of components, tools and processes for agreeing on semantics
>> at the point of data entry might become interesting. That might become
>> a time for increased openEHR interest in the US.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Erik Sundvall
>> erik.sundvall at liu.se 
>> http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/<http://www.imt.liu.se/%7Eerisu/> Tel: 
>> +46-13-286733
>> (Mail & tel. recently changed, so please update your contact lists.)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 17:52, Thomas Beale
>> <thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com> wrote:
>> > On 14/01/2010 11:31, Stef Verlinden wrote:
>> >
>> > Is anybody following the current discussion in the US about the
>> meaningful
>> > use citeri and/or is anybody actively involved?
>> > The published criteria can be found here:
>> >
>> http://frwebgate5.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/PDFgate.cgi?WAISdocID=467405454267+0+2+0&WAISaction=retrieve
>> > Is just scanned it very quickly and one thing stroke me, this is just a
>> > pre-definition.: 'In order for an EHR technology to be eligible for
>> > certification it must first
>> > meet the definition of a qualified electronic health record. This term
>> will
>> > be defined by ONC in its upcoming interim final rule, and we propose to
>> use
>> > the definition of qualified electronic health record adopted by ONC.'
>> > So it appears that the ONC final rule will set an important road ahead
>> for
>> > the coming decades. Is anybody promoting the benifits of the 13606
>> standard
>> > and if not shouldn't we do that?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > well before we do that, someone at ISO/CEN needs to think about a
>> profile
>> > for 21090 data types (in reality HL7v3 data types tidied up and enhanced
>> > somewhat) that can work for 13606 or indeed anyone not using HL7v3
>> messages.
>> > See
>> >
>> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/stds/openEHR+to+ISO+13606-1%2C+ISO+21090+mapping
>> > for details.
>> >
>> > - thomas beale
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