Hi Laura
Thanks for the link. I am finding it very difficult to make head or tail of the pages and what it all means. The pages appear to have a very basic 13606 element at the top and then a heap of references including self references. Can you help at all? Cheers, Sam From: [email protected] [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Sato Laura (NHS CONNECTING FOR HEALTH) Sent: Friday, 7 October 2011 11:34 PM To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: RE: openEHR Archetypes Development In part in (a slow!) response to the discussion below, I'm pleased to invite comments on the current draft detailed content models (based on 13606 and using the SNOMED CT concept model) for Discharge Summary, now accessible at https://svn.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/svn/public/lra/PUB/discharge/content/ index.html. (Apologies for the certificate warning that you'll be confronted with at first.) For some background info, this work is still relatively rough - it's an interim draft release that shows our first attempt to publish a full suite of detailed requirements, technical models and instance examples for record content. We're aware of a few inconsistencies and gaps in the end-to-end flow, but I'd still welcome any comments you might have time to send us ... I'm hoping that we'll release the next draft (based on comments received in the next few weeks) in November. Best wishes, Laura -------------------------------------------------------- Laura Sato Head, Logical Record Architecture Department of Health Informatics Directorate Technology Office, NHS Connecting for Health email: laura.sato at nhs.net mobile: (44) (0)7733 324 338 From: [email protected] [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Eunice Ab Sent: 03 June 2011 12:18 To: For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: openEHR Archetypes Development Dear Laura, Ian Many thanks for your emails. They have been so helpful ..... Laura, I am going to take up the offer of contacting you to get to know more about the 'central activities'. I will be in touch soon. Ian, I totally agree that most of the work done on data standards is currently been hidden away behind the N3 firewall or through trud. We need more accessible mechanisms for this work expecially for those that actually need to use these standards locally. Hopefully this will be taken into consideration in current and future work. Thanks again. Best regards Eunice On 3 June 2011 10:44, Ian McNicoll <Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com> wrote: Thanks Laura, That is very helpful clarification. It is unfortunate that much of the interesting work being done in the English NHS is 'hidden away' either with the TRUD mechanism or in the case of the Clinical Data Standards work, behind the N3 firewall. I know steps are being taken to address these issues but it does present a significant barrier for those outside the NHS. Regards, Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414 994 +44 (0)2032 392 970 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org <http://www.phcsg.org/> On 3 June 2011 10:28, Sato Laura (NHS CONNECTING FOR HEALTH) <laura.sato at nhs.net> wrote: > Dear Eunice, > > > > For info, although NHS Data Standards & Products has worked with openEHR > archetypes in the past, we are currently working on developing care record > content models that use the EN/ISO 13606 reference model and ISO 21090 data > types (both with a relationship to, but not exactly the same as, openEHR's > technical infrastructure), alongside a modelling approach that seeks to make > as much use as possible of the SNOMED CT clinical concept hierarchy, as well > as re-usable ELEMENT models and terminology constraints. Do please feel > free to get in touch with me, if you'd like more information about current > NHS 'central' activities in this area. > > > > We also continue communications with Thomas and Ian (and others) to maintain > links with the openEHR community, and hopefully will be able to provide a > clearer picture of how NHS content and openEHR archetypes fit together in > the coming months. > > > > Best regards, > > Laura > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > Laura Sato > > Head, Logical Record Architecture > > > > Department of Health Informatics Directorate > > Technology Office, NHS Connecting for Health > > > > email: laura.sato at nhs.net > > mobile: (44) (0)7733 324 338 > > > > > > > > > > From: openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org > [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Eunice Ab > Sent: 19 May 2011 18:22 > To: For openEHR technical discussions > Subject: Re: openEHR Archetypes Development > > > > Dear Ian > > > > Thank you so much for your reply. > > > > I was thinking whether there was a centrally funded team dedicated to > developing archetypes for data standard developers. I was wondering > whether if one was involved in a development work for clinical systems and > notice that new archetypes are required, whether one could request for the > archetype development free. > > > > I can see this is not the way things work.... > > > > Thanks so much. > > > > Eunice > > On 19 May 2011 17:22, Ian McNicoll <Ian.McNicoll at oceaninformatics.com> > wrote: > > Hi Eunice, > > > > There are a variety of ways in which archetype development can be supported. > Many of the archetypes currently on CKM have their origins in work supported > and funded by the English NHS. There are other people and places doing > development, particularly NEHTA in Australia - > see http://dcm.nehta.org.au/ckm/# <http://dcm.nehta.org.au/ckm/> who I understand are funding both > editorial and clinical review time. > > > > As you will see from my other reply, this is an emerging space and it is > difficult to answer your question directly without knowing more about what > you are trying to do in the NHS context. By all means email me directly if > you want to discuss privately. I am based in the UK and reasonably familiar > with the various UK standards development efforts (for better or worse!!). > > > > Ian > > > > Dr Ian McNicoll > office +44 (0)1536 414 994 > > +44 (0)2032 392 970 > fax +44 (0)1536 516317 > mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 > skype ianmcnicoll > ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com > > Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK > openEHR Clinical Knowledge Editor www.openehr.org/knowledge > Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL > BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org <http://www.phcsg.org/> > > On 19 May 2011 16:26, Eunice Ab <euniceab at googlemail.com> wrote: > > Hi All > > > > Wondering if you could help. > > > > I wanted to confirm whether one can request for archetype development for > free if one does not currently exist. > > > > Are there any costs associated with this? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Eunice > > > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at openehr.org > http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical > > > > **************************************************************************** **************************************** > > This message may contain confidential information. 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