On 04/15/2013 03:37 PM, Grahame Grieve wrote:
> "big risk" - it's a combination of how likely it is, and how bad it is 
> if they are.
>
> Generally, current location, current medication lists, summary lists 
> are things where contention can happen. Quite often, I've seen, a 
> cascade of things will happen on a patient simultaineously as multiple 
> people focus on the patient
>
> The other place where contention is a problem I've experience has been 
> pathology reports that are not complete - in a busy lab doing 2000 
> reports/day, I observed editing contention 10-20x a day on average. 
> That's pretty low, but the consequences of a clash.... bad.....

In the lab, are that updates, or new records?
How do you deal with long time transactions? Suppose a lab edits a 
dataset, saves it in an archetype-model which will be used to store more 
items.
Then lab employee does the following test and saves it. Should it be 
saved in the same data-set, or in a new version?
I don't think you should have long lasting transactions, lasting longer 
then one millisecond.
Maybe in a lab, there should be a client/GUI which stores/caches local 
until the results are complete.
So it depends on the EHR-system and archetypes.

And in the current medicationlist, how big is the chance that two edits 
are done simultaneously?
And is it also a GUI question, to refresh the screen, once in a while, 
so that the chance of a care-professionalist to be looking at the really 
current medications increases from 99,99% to 99,999%?
There can always be a late update from a pharmacy, mostly they update 
the system at moment of providing medication, but it can always go 
wrong, electricity fall out, etc.
Those screen refreshes are also a GUI-thing.

But, of course, it must be prevented. But I think you will agree that 
there is no need of fancy isolation-schemas.
The most basic one will do. And transactions should never take longer 
then a minimum of time. Say one millisecond.

Not everything needs to be resolved by a OpenEHR-kernel.
Some things are really a GUI matter.

But I am interested in arguments.

Bert

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> Grahame
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> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 11:25 PM, Bert Verhees <bert.verhees at rosa.nl 
> <mailto:bert.verhees at rosa.nl>> wrote:
>
>     On 04/15/2013 02:56 PM, Grahame Grieve wrote:
>
>         well, that's true for some parts of the record - the
>         historical parts. Other parts, summary parts, that's quite
>         untrue. In most enterprise systems, records tend to be rarely
>         updated, or intensively updated, and not much between
>
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>
>     Can you give an example of parts of records which are at big risk
>     for competitive updates?
>
>     Thanks
>     Bert.
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