I would agree with Heather. Put it in 'use'. My worry about having a dedicated attribute is that the requirements may vary pretty widely from simple reference to wordy attribution (as per the Barthel example).
This also raises an issue about whether the Foundation should seek a similar arrangement with IHTSDO re use of SNOMED CT terms. Ian On 13 November 2014 09:10, Heather Leslie <heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com> wrote: > It is actually relevant to have this information in the ?Use? as it is a > reasonable place to look to see constraints on use and how it should be > implemented in systems. > > > > No reason why it can?t be in a dedicated/purpose-built place as well. > > > > Heather > > > > From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at > lists.openehr.org] > On Behalf Of Grahame Grieve > Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2014 8:07 PM > To: For openEHR clinical discussions > Cc: Openehr-Technical > Subject: Re: Archetypes - new meta-data elements for 3rd party copyrights? > > > > my advice from LOINC/regenstrief is that it does apply > > > > Grahame > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Thomas Beale > <thomas.beale at oceaninformatics.com> wrote: > > > Something that has become clear in CIMI, and will affect openEHR, 13606 and > most likely any archetype developer is that acknowledgements of 3rd party > copyrights and trademarks need to be made. The most obvious common one is > likely to be for SNOMED CT codes in archetype bindings (Stan Huff at > Intermountain is still working on whether such acknowledgements are needed > for LOINC codes). However, it could be for anything, e.g. rights to use a > scale like Barthel or Waterlow. > > At the moment there is no dedicated place in the model for this particular > meta-data. It could just go in 'other_details' but I suspect that we need to > be more precise than that. Consider for example, the openEHR Barthel scale > archetype - it currently carries this text in the 'Use' section: > > Note: > The Maryland State Medical Society holds the copyright for the Barthel > Index. It may be used freely for non-commercial purposes with the following > citation: > Mahoney FI, Barthel D. ?Functional evaluation: the Barthel Index.? > Maryland State Med Journal 1965;14:56-61. Used with permission. > > Permission is required to modify the Barthel Index or to use it for > commercial purposes. > > This seems less than optimal, and is certainly not going to be reliably > tool-separable from the main 'Use' content, since the word 'Note:' and the > placement of this text are purely local choices. > > There is another issue here. The acknowledgement text actually included in > the archetype needs to be minimal, and as far as legally possible not > contain volatile elements that can change. Therefore, I think the general > approach needs to be as is typically done with open source licences: not > including the whole text, but including a reliable URL to the licence text > either from the issuer (e.g. Creative Commons CC-BY page) or an agreement > between the publisher and the licensor (e.g. between IHTSDO and CIMI for the > use of SNOMED CT, and details of that use). > > I have updated the meta-data page on the wiki to indicate what I think is > the requirement - see end of the main table. > > I am increasingly of the feeling that we need to act on this soon. > > - thomas > > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-clinical mailing list > openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org > > > > > > -- > > ----- > http://www.healthintersections.com.au / grahame at healthintersections.com.au > / > +61 411 867 065 > > > _______________________________________________ > openEHR-technical mailing list > openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414 994 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK Director openEHR Foundation www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org
