On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 02:00:46PM +0000, Seref Arikan wrote:

> Maybe I'm losing some clinical context by adopting a data view of the
> setting but would not a problem oriented record be a 'view' on clinical
> data ?

Ah, putting it that way makes sense, too: the POMR approach
to be a view integrating "data" into "information".

My point would be that problem orientation is so fundamental
a "view" that it should really be mandatory (even if only
internally -- if physicians can't be bothered with thinking
about which problem to attribute items to a coarsely grained
ordering, say along the lines of ICPC, might get applied
based on, say, provider speciality or some such).

> The clinical problem is obviously context dependant (cancer,
> diabetes etc) so this sounds like a higher order view on top of clinical
> data to me. I'd see problem list as a 2nd order construct like you, but I
> guess I'd consider problem oriented record at 3rd and Care plan at 4th
> level.

Interesting idea: "comprehensive" care plan, not necessarily
per-problem.  Maybe per-goal (for which health goals must not
be per-problem ;-) ?

> If care plan is what the name implies than it involves actions to be taken
> on top of a particular problem view so I'd feel safer having that in its
> own layer.  So I'd consider something like:
> 
> Say an EHR with ~100 compositions (1st level).

IOW, a data store rather than an EHR.

> A problem list as a persistence composition (2nd level),

The minimum requirement for the data store to become an EHR.

Thanks,
Karsten
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