On 13-11-17 14:02, Thomas Beale wrote:

On 13/11/2017 12:32, Grahame Grieve wrote:
I am sceptical of most use cases of block chain outside payments witnessing in some limited trading schemes. There are 2 inter-related problems.

- block chain is a very inefficient solution to a problem that largely does not exist in healthcare: untamperable evidence that something happened, in the context of not having any trustable governor. In almost all cases, we actually want to be able to tamper with the record - except the audit trail. And/or suppress data from being visible except to a few authorised parties. For the audit trail, the average institution generates more data per day than block chain presently holds - we are talking vast amounts of data

- the inefficiency is considerable - full block chain requires some benefit to the miners - and in any volume of data, the price is considerable (e.g. blockchain consumes more power than nigeria, I read this week); that is not evident in any scheme I've seen, but schemes that have restricted mining loads require restricted attack surfaces, and I don't believe that there's a sweet spot there in healthcare

There are some interesting use cases around selective sharing data for research using active blockchains (e.g. ethereum) but by and large these seem outside the scope of records and EHRs to me


This is more or less my opinion at the moment as well.

What openEHR has as an underlying data management paradigm is distributed version control - each EHR is like a little git repo. This is no longer new or interesting (in fact, I was exposed to it from 1988, so really not new), but it's just as applicable today as it was then. Re-doing all that in blockchain seems sort of pointless. Yes, health systems can be hacked, but mainly to break privacy, not to fake transactions. Not what blockchain was designed for (and it's more or less the opposite regarding privacy).


It is not about hacking why blockchain is interesting, although, that can happen too. But it is about having trustworthy computing without a trusted third party. Not only protecting against bad intentions but also against errors, for example, system which not run synchronous or have date/time(zone) not well configured. Not a trusted party ensures delivery and time of delivery and contents of delivery, but blockchain as a mechanism does.
I have given already a few examples.

Remember, computers make no errors, but people do, and it are people which configure computers and use them, and their responsibility must be able to transparently replayed afterwards.

Bert

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