David Blevins wrote: > If Apache were to pass a by-law saying PMCs are no longer required, I'd > be the first person to resign from it. However we have to have a PMC > for legal oversight reasons and will continue to add people to it, but I > personally really hope it never becomes the "core" of our community. I > hope that the core always remains right here on the dev list where > everyone, committer or not, can participate. >
So then are you proposing that committer == pmc? This seems like it fits your definition and would likely fix this issue. Do you see a valid reason to have a smaller subset? > > We have done an excellent job in this community at making sure we all > feel like we make a difference here, that someone without commit > privileges has just as much voice as someone with commit. Several > people, committers and otherwise have stood up and said so. I think it > would be a terrible tragedy to start defining the word community as > those on the PMC and to say anyone not on the PMC are being ostracize > and not part of the community. So then how would you categorize who got chosen to be on the PMC, and who did not? > > I'm personally happy with the progress we've made for ourselves and am > fine adding more people to it over time. > > How do others feel? I am not sure what you are asking... What I do see is we have done well so far. Where I am left scratching my head is how this initial group of committers/contributors got picked. What I also see, is concern raised by a few folks that they were not a part of this initial group. There are clearly some hurt feelings here. I see Rick and myself raising the issue of why we are not on the list. I saw Jacek advocate that all parties be included. I must have missed the email somewhere how the subset got chosen. Somehow we went from the PPMC consisting of Henry, Jason, and Brett, of whom would vote on additional members, to this list being chosen. Was there a vote for the aforementioned list and is there a reason the others were not included? On the other hand, I certainly do not want to have to beg my way on to the PMC. If you and the other committers feel that the subset is the way to go, I will not comment further...the community gets what the community wants. But IMHO, based on the responses and comments on this topic, it seems like a bad choice, and a bad way to start, and I certainly feel very uncomfortable with the way this has unfolded. Jeff > > > -David > >
