I wholeheartedly agree with you, Will!    Do you have some example 
workflow diagrams that
you have found useful?

Dave
Will Ross wrote:
> Philippe,
>
> Actually, I am still talking about Wayne's focus on the user.   As a  
> project manager I spend much of my time in a balancing act by  
> advocating for someone else's perspective.   When I work with with IT  
> developers and vendors, the most important missing voice is generally  
> the perspective of the user.   Workflow diagrams and use case  
> narratives are excellent tools to bring the user back into the center  
> of the technology planning process, and they also provide users with  
> a convenient way to redirect well intentioned but inappropriate  
> technology proposals.
>
> Until we have compelling informatics solutions that meet actual  
> clinical user needs, adoption of new IT proposals will be minimal at  
> best, which describes the current state of EHR deployment in this  
> country (i.e., minimal).
>
> With best regards,
>
> [wr]
>
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> On Mar 23, 2006, at 3:43 AM, Philippe AMELINE wrote:
>
>   
>>> Any opinion on YAWL ( http://www.yawl.fit.qut.edu.au/ )?
>>>
>>> Tim C
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I very much like the way Wayne Wilson explicated the Big problem :
>>
>> "The very first thing to do is to build a believable (to doctors and
>> patients) scenario for needing to get information from one system  
>> to the
>> next, preferably in real time. IF you don't lead with that from a
>> demonstrably practical point of view and just assume a generic need
>> justifies all (interchange is good and will save the world, etc.),  
>> then
>> I suggest that this interoperability demo is no different than a  
>> vendor
>> plug fest designed to show managers why they should keep buying the  
>> same
>> stuff they have already bought."
>>
>> And how funny it was to see that 6 posts after, all this vanished  
>> into a
>> workflow engines comparison (very interesting, by the way).
>>
>>  From my point of view, Wayne is very right to ask for a scenario "for
>> needing to get information from one system to the next". And I think
>> that such a scenario will be pretty much artificial if these  
>> systems are
>> HIS since the genuine main reason to communicate is continuity of  
>> care,
>> and that it is the very issue that hospitals don't address at all -  
>> and
>> even rarely understand.
>>
>> This "generic need" that would justify a "need for communication"
>> between HIS is a myth that became a religion when a sufficient  
>> number of
>> people started to make a living by building standards for it. This is
>> not an issue for the citizen.
>>
>> My 2 € ;-)
>>
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>>     
>
>
> [wr]
>
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> will ross
> project manager
> mendocino informatics
> 216 west perkins street, suite 206
> ukiah, california  95482  usa
> 707.272.7255 [voice]
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