Exactly.... there is no substantive discussion on the mailing list.
You're making my point.
So what is the criteria for going to implementer's draft? Why should we
implement this if the core design has not really been vetted?
- Mike
On 2018-07-17 10:32, Mike Jones wrote:
Substantive discussion happened on the mailing list, Mike. You'll
also find numerous references there to the review, requesting that
people participate.
-- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Schwartz <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:30 AM
To: Mike Jones <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID
Connect Federation Spec
Mike,
I disagree. As you can see by the lack of comments on the mailing list
with regard to the federation spec, there is no critical mass of
interested parties. And asking people who are interested in the
federation spec to join every OpenID Connect WG meeting on the off
chance that the federation spec will be discussed is not efficient.
Can you point to any meeting minutes where substantive discussion of
the content happened on the call?
- Mike
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Michael Schwartz
Gluu
Founder / CEO
[email protected]
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nynymike/
On 2018-07-17 09:59, Mike Jones wrote:
I know that a number of people actively contributing to European
federations, such as NORDUnet, have joined the working group, at
Roland's suggestion, to participate in the discussions. If there are
others who you think are not members and should be, please invite them
to join. Participation in OpenID working groups is free. OpenID
working groups operate in public, so the conversation is hardly
"buried".
Being in an OpenID working group means that the specification will be
freely available to all to implement, with contributors all making a
patent promise. Bringing the patent promises into effect is the
primary point of the current vote at
https://openid.net/foundation/members/polls/146. I encourage everyone
who's interested in OpenID Connect Federation to participate in the
IPR vote.
Best wishes,
-- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Schwartz <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:51 AM
To: Mike Jones <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [OpenID board] Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID
Connect Federation Spec
Ok, but I think discussion of this spec should be more comprehensive.
It would help if the discussion was more public so we could get a
quorum of interested parties. As the conversation is buried in the
OpenID Connect WG meetings, it's hard to get the right people
involved, and has the result of reducing participation.
- Mike
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Michael Schwartz
Gluu
Founder / CEO
[email protected]
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nynymike/
On 2018-07-17 09:28, Mike Jones wrote:
Mike - your statement that "The effort to reach consensus was
NEGLIGIBLE to zero" is incorrect. Indeed, the editors acknowledged
your and Filip's comments in their reply
http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-ab/Week-of-Mon-2018061
1 /006794.html and agreed to address them in the next revision. That
will happen after the current vote to grant IPR protections to
implementers of the specification concludes. The purpose of this
vote is described in the reply
http://lists.openid.net/pipermail/openid-specs-ab/Week-of-Mon-2018061
1 /006795.html, and indeed, in the public blog post about the IPR
review
http://openid.net/2018/06/08/public-review-period-for-openid-connect-federation-specification-started/.
Thank you again for taking the time to review the specification.
-- Mike
P.S. A vote against Implementer's Draft status essentially boils
down to "I do not want developers to have IPR protections when
implementing this draft".
-----Original Message-----
From: board <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike
Schwartz
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [OpenID board] Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID
Connect Federation Spec
Gluu OBJECTS to the approval of the OpenID Federation spec. While we
like the direction of the work, NONE of our comments have been either
addressed or mitigated. The effort to reach consensus was NEGLIGIBLE
to zero.
- Mike
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Gluu
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[email protected]
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nynymike/
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