I don't know, most of this thread is about things that seems low level enough to warrant a discussion on this list, we can forgive one or two "usage" related questions, no?
Cheers, Mario Il 07/apr/2014 22:11 "John Smith" <john_sm...@symantec.com> ha scritto: > Hi Exo, > > For general JavaFX usage questions, stackoverflow or the Oracle JavaFX > forums are probably a better place to ask than the openjfx-dev mailing list. > > See for example: > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18792822/dragging-an-undecorated-stage-in-javafx > > https://community.oracle.com/community/developer/english/java/javafx/javafx_2.0_and_later > > Regards, > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: openjfx-dev [mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf > Of Exo Verse > Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 9:53 AM > To: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net > Subject: Re: JavaFX 2 + with LWJGL ( OpenGL ) > > Ahh yes, the lwjglfx solution. Yes it is ingenious what they guy did. I > would have to draw to an image anyhow with other GUI designs, so this is no > different. And with a buffer, you would only need to update it IF the GUI > has changed. If no change, then you just use the buffer in OpenGL to paste > the GUI image back to the screen in a 3D space instead of worrying about > 2D. No need to worry about FPS dropping either. His approach needs work, > but the point of his exercise is to prove its doable. > > I am at another loss though. I am trying to make my window in JavaFX > CLICKHOLD and DRAGGABLE.. not a control within it.. The actual window > itself. Ideas ? My whole source code in a previous post is there if you > want to see what I have so far. Although you will need to make a 800x600 > image to get it to work. ( NOTE : Any image for testing purposes would > work. ) > > Torak > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Stephen F Northover < > steve.x.northo...@oracle.com> wrote: > > > The lwjglfx solution. > > > > Steve > > > > > > On 2014-04-07 12:45 PM, Exo Verse wrote: > > > >> @ Steve > >> Which approach are you referring too ? The lwjglfx solution or this > >> transparency background solution ? > >> > >> The lwjglfx I am assuming here since its drawing out to an image and > >> back in again. But if your speaking about my transparency issue I > >> solved, I didn't realize it was sending out to an image and back > >> again. Could you please elaborate as to which solution your speaking > about ? > >> > >> Torak > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 12:33 PM, Stephen F Northover < > >> steve.x.northo...@oracle.com> wrote: > >> > >> This solution is cool, but it draws to an image, sucks out the bits > >> and > >>> then converts that to an FX image. This is a good approach because > >>> it uses API and does not rely on any internals of FX. Hopefully it > >>> is fast enough for you. > >>> > >>> Steve > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2014-04-06 12:41 PM, Exo Verse wrote: > >>> > >>> Yea the OpenGL comes with your graphics drivers for your video > >>> card. So > >>>> your correct that it doesn't ship with JavaFX. What I have been > >>>> going on about is trying to find a way to use JavaFX with LWJGL. In > >>>> case you are unaware, LWJGL just means "Light Weight Java OpenGL" > >>>> and its a wrapper for the OpenGL API. It's an alternative to JOGL. > >>>> > >>>> On another note, as I did a search, Thanks to Tom showing me that > >>>> link I examined that code and I found something of interest in the > >>>> JOGL code interface.. well it lead me to a google search, and > >>>> viola.. LWJGL with JavaFX. :) > >>>> > >>>> LINK : > >>>> https://github.com/Spasi/LWJGL-FX > >>>> > >>>> So just wanted to post the link here and say thanks for all of your > >>>> help. > >>>> :) > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Torak > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Tom Schindl < > >>>> tom.schi...@bestsolution.at > >>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>> JavaFX does not ship OpenGL binaries on windows you have to build > >>>> it your > >>>> > >>>>> own. > >>>>> > >>>>> Please note: > >>>>> a) if there are people who manage to write a prism pipeline on > >>>>> jogl why should you not be able to do the same with lwjgl? > >>>>> b) the talk i mentionned from felipe and steve show how to get > >>>>> access to the native OpenGL context and there from you can use any > >>>>> API you like can't remember which one they used > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom > >>>>> > >>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet > >>>>> > >>>>> Am 06.04.2014 um 18:18 schrieb Exo Verse <tora...@gmail.com>: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, but as I mentioned in my original post, I don't like > >>>>>> JOGL. It doesn't work with my setup. I use LWJGL because its only > >>>>>> about the OpenGL and not other libraries, and its an easy API > >>>>>> wrapper to use. There are > >>>>>> > >>>>>> many > >>>>> > >>>>> many reason I hate JOGL.. but this thread is not about hating on > >>>>> JOGL, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> its > >>>>> > >>>>> about finding a way to use LWJGL with JavaFX2+. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Also, Win32 API calls can use both DirectX and OpenGL APIs. And > >>>>>> it > >>>>>> > >>>>>> doesn't > >>>>> > >>>>> matter what Windows OS you're using. I have tested this out from > >>>>>> Windows > >>>>>> > >>>>>> XP > >>>>> > >>>>> all the way to Windows 7 - 32/64 Bit with no problem. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>> Torak > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Tom Schindl < > >>>>>> > >>>>>> tom.schi...@bestsolution.at>wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> There is a talk from Felipe and Steve at J1 last year how to > >>>>> embed > >>>>>> OpenGL > >>>>>> into FX using *internal* API! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Search for it on parleys - this does not help you on Win32 which > >>>>>>> uses directx instead of javafx. BTW there are people doing a > >>>>>>> JOGL pipeline https://bitbucket.org/dejayberlin/joglfxpipeline/src > ! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Tom > >>>>>>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Am 06.04.2014 um 17:25 schrieb Exo Verse <tora...@gmail.com>: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yea its a shame that using JavaFX as an option along with > >>>>>>>> OpenGL wasn't even thought of to begin with. I don't understand > >>>>>>>> why they limit you > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> like > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> they do. Them trying to recreate the wheel and make their own > >>>>>> version > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3D interface is just plain stupid if it can't run low level. I > >>>>>>> can > >>>>>>>> see > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> 2D > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> games and applications with a LOT of usage for JavaFX and its 2D > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> graphics > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> API. But True 3D needs low level other wise its a waste of time. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Well, thanks for the replies. Guess I'll have to stick with > >>>>>>> using > >>>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>> sources for my GUI. It's just that I like JavaFX version of its > >>>>>>>> GUI > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> because > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> it is so simple to use. But not worth it if you can't use it > >>>>>>> for the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> reason > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> that we the people need it for. Like in my case, game dev. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Cheers. > >>>>>>>> Torak > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Philipp Dörfler < > >>>>>>>> phdoerf...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It is not possible to combine JavaFX and OpenGL as it is > >>>>>>>> right now. > >>>>>>>> This > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> was discussed on this mailing list some time before as a > >>>>>>> _possible_ > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> future > >>>>>>>> addition, but I'd be very surprised if Oracle actually chose to > >>>>>>>> implement this. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Starting with JavaFX 8 there is indeed some kind of "3D support" > >>>>>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 3D API allows only for the most basic operations. It is still > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> completely > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> scene graph based and you have to live with all restrictions > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> JavaFX > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> imposes on you. Not wanting to say that the 3D API is completely > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> useless, > >>>>>>>> but I'm afraid that even WPF is more flexible when it comes to > >>>>>>>> 3D than > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> JavaFX is. For example: As far as I know you can not even > >>>>>>>>> change the shading model from GL_SMOOTH to GL_FLAT. You could > >>>>>>>>> work around that by setting the normals yourself though (Same > >>>>>>>>> for WPF). Also render > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> quality > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> bad when you render an instance of Text in 3D and scale it down > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> example. At least it was when I tried that last time (few > >>>>>>>>> months ago). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Again, not to say that one can't work with JavaFX's 3D API, > >>>>>>>>> but it's > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> raw OpenGL either. As far as I know the JavaFX team wants to be > >>>>>>> able > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> let > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> the user use his own OpenGL context and let JavaFX render on top > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> that or > >>>>>>>> add the possibility to ask JavaFX for the underlying context > >>>>>>>> and mess with that but this is not even officially planned or > >>>>>>>> included on any roadmap > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> (AFAIK) so we can only keep our fingers crossed for that to happen. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Like > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> you I would absolutely LOVE to use JavaFX as a GUI on top of my > >>>>>> OpenGL > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> games. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>>>> Philipp Dörfler > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Am 06.04.2014 um 16:31 schrieb Exo Verse <tora...@gmail.com>: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Can you please explain what True 3D means in terms of Low > >>>>>>>>>> Level API ? > >>>>>>>>>> Because with LWJGL I can use Low Level API to talk directly > >>>>>>>>>> to my > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Video > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Card. As a game dev, I need every ounce of umph from the card I > >>>>>>>> can > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> get, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> and using a browser or any other kind of wrapper hasn't proven > >>>>>>>> very > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> efficient. I love LWJGL because of its simplicity. Anything > >>>>>>>>> extra I > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> need, I > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> am allowed to make on my own. Example, my own Game Engine. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> And that is where I am at. So if your speaking about Nodes, I > >>>>>>>>>> am > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> aware > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> there is a hierarchy to the JavaFX2 when setting up the GUI, > >>>>>>>> but > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the only thing I knew existed. Could you please elaborate what > >>>>>>>> makes > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> JavaFX8 a True 3D Low Level interface API ? Because from the > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> presentation, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> you have to go through two layers before you have to get to > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> OpenGL > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> layer. Where as if I can use LWJGL, I can skip a level. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> If I am misinformed on something, please, explain. Because I am > >>>>>>> new > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> JavaFX. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>>> Torak > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Hervé Girod < > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> herve.gi...@gmail.com > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> With Java 8 (JavaFX 8), you now have true 3D Nodes, with > >>>>>>>>>> camera, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> texturing, etc... However it would still be very interesting > >>>>>>>>>>> to be > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> able > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> control the low-level rendering of JavaFX, such as using LWJGL > >>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>>> example. > >>>>>>>>>> This would allow to render JavaFx content in an external > >>>>>>>>>> OpenGL context > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> example. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hervé > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 6 avr. 2014, at 14:42, Exo Verse <tora...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I have been working with OpenGL and LWJGL for over 5 > >>>>>>>>>>>> years > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> now. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> want to switch over to using JavaFX 2, because of its GUI > >>>>>>>>> abilities > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> still use LWJGL with it. But I can't seem to find a way to do > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> this. I > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> saw a > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> 2 hour video that described the features of JavaFX 2 and it even > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> shown > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> layout.. OpenGL was there at the bottom with D3D with Prism > >>>>>>>>> above > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> both > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> them in the hierarchy. I have searched the web and I can't > >>>>>>>>> find > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> prism, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> can't find info on how to talk to opengl and I can't find any > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> tutorials > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> anywhere. So I am posting here to see what I can find. I do > >>>>>>>>>> NOT > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> like > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> JOGL. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I prefer LWJGL. So far, the only thing related to 3D with > >>>>>>> regards > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> JavaFX > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> is the very resource intensive Canvas3D, which I can't stand. > >>>>>>> Any > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> ideas ? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Is it not implemented yet and its on its way ? I'm trying to > >>>>>>>>>> find > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> info > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I can about this. If there is nothing for LWJGL, then I can't > >>>>>>> use > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> JavaFX. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Torak > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >
