I agree with Johan that there is a rich and vibrant JavaFX community and most examples of its adoption are behind corporate firewalls.
But Johan, why would Oracle build a "JavaFX ecosystem" within Oracle and spend millions on a product that earns them nothing? Surely that is not sustainable. And where are all the big changes and enhancements in JFX 9? > On 2 Dec 2015, at 00:27, Johan Vos <johan....@gluonhq.com> wrote: > > Hi Dirk, all, > > Although this person from Codename One attacked me a few times before > (using words like we're selling snake oil), I tried to ignore it. This is > very uncommon for the Java community. In the Java community, we have > different views, we prefer different technologies, but we show at least > some basic respect to other views and we don't insult people. Clearly, this > isn't the policy inside Codename One. I wonder where they get the time for > writing negative things about others, rather than writing positive things > about their own technologies. So although I'm offended, I try to write code > and keep my customers happy rather than fighting. > > But the moment you may lose customers because what others write about a > technology you want to use, a line is crossed. I keep all options open on > how to respond, but here are already some thoughts: > > * The JavaFX engineers at Oracle (current and past) are doing a fantastic > job. > > * Yes, I wish Oracle would spend more resources on JavaFX (and on Java in > general). > > * JavaFX is growing. Gluon is growing. > > * There are many JavaFX success stories, but unfortunately many of those > are hidden behind company walls. At Gluon, we have great customers with a > huge investment in JavaFX that make amazing products. But company policies > often prohibit us from even mentioning those on our website. This is an > issue, as I believe many people would be surprised to see who is using > JavaFX and at what size. I'm not sure how to address this, and it is > something Peter Pilgrim talked about in a follow-up post as well. > > * JavaFX on Mobile is getting there. Don't believe self-declared and > aggressive "mobile experts" with a different agenda. I'm one of those > people working day and night to make this happen. And apart from very few > exceptions, the Java community has been very supportive to this effort. I > don't let those exceptions ruining my day or my customers. > > * There really is a JavaFX eco-system. Oracle is spending resources on it, > and there are a large number of individuals and companies providing free > and commercial frameworks, services, trainings, books. > > * JavaFX is open source with a business-friendly license. You don't like > something? Fix it. > > Dirk, keep up the good work. I hope your customer realises that there is a > large community behind JavaFX, with both open-source and commercial > offerings. They should feel safe using JavaFX. > > - Johan > > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dirk @ Google <dlemmerm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> there has been quite a shake-up in the JavaFX community last week when >> Shay Almog (Codename One) first responded to a blog of mine ( >> dlemmermann.wordpress.com) with a lot of negative comments regarding >> JavaFX and its future. He then followed up with a long blog asking the >> question „Should Oracle Spring-Clean JavaFX“ ( >> https://www.codenameone.com/blog/should-oracle-spring-clean-javafx.html < >> https://www.codenameone.com/blog/should-oracle-spring-clean-javafx.html>). >> >> I do understand that it is often a good strategy to not comment on stuff >> like this because commenting would just draw attention to it, but we have >> now reached the point where potential customers are questioning the >> sustainability of a JavaFX-based solution. They are now wondering if JavaFX >> will still be around in a few years. In my specific case the customer >> demands an answer from me and my partners within the next week, and if not >> convincing they will go with something / someone else. We will loose a >> contract worth around one million dollars because of one blog written by >> Shay with no follow-up from Oracle. >> >> What is needed is an official statement from Oracle / Oracle employees / >> JavaFX development team, saying that Oracle is still committed to JavaFX >> and that it will still be around for a while. Can somebody please do that? >> >> Dirk >> >> >>
