I think you missed my point, i suggested that core support both with a switch in the .ini The fork, would be internal not external.
Sent from my iPad Air 2 > On Apr 24, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni <[email protected]> > wrote: > > If the end result is breaking existing content and systems then yes to me it > is preferable that a new project be started, however there is no reason you > can not diverge and expand on top of existing code, but if you think its > easier to fork then by all means good luck. > >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 6:51 PM, Frank Nichols <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Then basically we can never diverge away from SL since any divergence is >> going to break existing scripts that require compatibility. >> >> If we don't bite the bullet and make the changes, i do believe OS will >> (has?) stagnate. It seems every time outside resources try to make changes >> and help we end up back at the argument that too much legacy code will have >> to be rewritten. I suggest that we "fork" core, in essence. By this i mean >> we have a switch in core, SL COMPATIBILITY MODE. switch equals true and it >> runs the code as it is, switch equals FALSE and it runs a new code base with >> changes. Default can be true. I then suggest we focus future development on >> the new branch that is not compatible. >> >> Frank >> >> Sent from my iPad Air 2 >> >>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am all for diverging away from SL, but not at the expense of breaking >>> existing systems or content, because ultimately its the core development >>> team who has to deal with the fall out of that. >>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Seth Nygard <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I am in full support of showing the actual numbers for all system metrics. >>>> It is long past time we dispensed with trying to be like SL when we are >>>> not in so many ways already. >>>> >>>> What I would suggest as a solution that should fit everyone's needs. How >>>> about we add a scaling factor that can be set in the INI file. This can >>>> be set to yield the current inflated numbers by default, but can also be >>>> set to 1 for anyone wanting real numbers. >>>> >>>> -Seth >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:50 PM, <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Send Opensim-dev mailing list submissions to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>>> than "Re: Contents of Opensim-dev digest..." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Re: MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) (Michael Emory Cerquoni) >>>>> 2. Re: MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) (Michael Emory Cerquoni) >>>>> 3. Re: MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) (Michael Emory Cerquoni) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:40:39 -0400 >>>>> From: Michael Emory Cerquoni <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> >>>>> <CAF5=rqv4dqqj+xm1qymwf7raq3pmim-vtc-uu14grbvb65i...@mail.gmail.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>> >>>>> ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the >>>>> white >>>>> space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later though. I >>>>> hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to really make >>>>> sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps before this >>>>> changes >>>>> the core code, so anyone who has the time please do test this and let us >>>>> know if you notice anything change or break, thanks! >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>>> > Caveats: NONE >>>>> > >>>>> > What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch should >>>>> > still >>>>> > apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation guidance >>>>> > explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want this >>>>> > done - >>>>> > let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings. >>>>> > >>>>> > v/r -douglas >>>>> > >>>>> > Douglas Maxwell, MSME >>>>> > Science and Technology Manager >>>>> > Virtual World Strategic Applications >>>>> > U.S. Army Research Lab >>>>> > Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC) >>>>> > (c) (407) 242-0209 >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: [email protected] >>>>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael >>>>> > Emory >>>>> > Cerquoni >>>>> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM >>>>> > To: [email protected] >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted >>>>> > >>>>> > please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for testing, >>>>> > thanks >>>>> > guys! >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann <[email protected]> >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Opensim Devs >>>>> > >>>>> > Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission from >>>>> > project >>>>> > MOSES. Thanks. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Michael Heilmann >>>>> > Research Associate >>>>> > Institute for Simulation and Training >>>>> > University of Central Florida >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> > <blockedhttp://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > >>>>> > Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>>> > >>>>> > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>>> > Caveats: NONE >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>> > [email protected] >>>>> > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: >>>>> <http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/attachments/20150424/981b6919/attachment-0001.html> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 2 >>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:42:52 -0400 >>>>> From: Michael Emory Cerquoni <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> >>>>> <CAF5=rqublu5rl6ebmt0pgdntwyod92auhlennfzjcakh8xv...@mail.gmail.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>> >>>>> ok so just so I understand we should now see this actually just display >>>>> 11fps? Personally I think this is a bad idea, alot of people may be using >>>>> monitoring apps and scripts that look for low fps and restart the region, >>>>> we would basically be forcing everyone to rewrite a lot of code to >>>>> accommodate a singular purpose? Not quite sure how this improves the >>>>> project as a whole. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the >>>>> > white space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later >>>>> > though. I hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to >>>>> > really make sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps >>>>> > before >>>>> > this changes the core code, so anyone who has the time please do test >>>>> > this >>>>> > and let us know if you notice anything change or break, thanks! >>>>> > >>>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) < >>>>> > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>>> >> Caveats: NONE >>>>> >> >>>>> >> What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch should >>>>> >> still >>>>> >> apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation guidance >>>>> >> explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want this >>>>> >> done - >>>>> >> let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> v/r -douglas >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Douglas Maxwell, MSME >>>>> >> Science and Technology Manager >>>>> >> Virtual World Strategic Applications >>>>> >> U.S. Army Research Lab >>>>> >> Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC) >>>>> >> (c) (407) 242-0209 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >> From: [email protected] >>>>> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael >>>>> >> Emory >>>>> >> Cerquoni >>>>> >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM >>>>> >> To: [email protected] >>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted >>>>> >> >>>>> >> please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for testing, >>>>> >> thanks >>>>> >> guys! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann >>>>> >> <[email protected]> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Opensim Devs >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission from >>>>> >> project >>>>> >> MOSES. Thanks. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Michael Heilmann >>>>> >> Research Associate >>>>> >> Institute for Simulation and Training >>>>> >> University of Central Florida >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> >> <blockedhttp://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>>> >> Caveats: NONE >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>> >> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: >>>>> <http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/attachments/20150424/ac0c082d/attachment-0001.html> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> Message: 3 >>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:50:32 -0400 >>>>> From: Michael Emory Cerquoni <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) >>>>> Message-ID: >>>>> >>>>> <CAF5=rqWbXjfgv5Au9VDa+_b8AsvY4NpL2CFxY=4L=ncE=md...@mail.gmail.com> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>> >>>>> I have to admit I am a bit bewildered at this patch, what is the actual >>>>> benefit of reporting the actual numbers if it has the potential to break >>>>> so >>>>> much? Can we rethink this and have this be a variable that can be >>>>> configured for different applications, I really hate the idea of forcing >>>>> this change on everyone without much better ability to explain why this is >>>>> so important, having it just go from 55fps to 11fps is going to freak >>>>> people out and cause a lot of problems for the core development support >>>>> teams. To me it makes more sense to make the multiplication factor >>>>> configurable so that if a certain grid wants to run at normal stats they >>>>> can set the modifier to 1.0 if a certain grid wants to be an analogue of >>>>> second life they can change the modifier to 5.0, but if forcing everyone >>>>> to >>>>> use this is the only option I have to say my vote is -1 for inclusion at >>>>> this point, unless someone can really convince me why this is so important >>>>> otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > ok so just so I understand we should now see this actually just display >>>>> > 11fps? Personally I think this is a bad idea, alot of people may be >>>>> > using >>>>> > monitoring apps and scripts that look for low fps and restart the >>>>> > region, >>>>> > we would basically be forcing everyone to rewrite a lot of code to >>>>> > accommodate a singular purpose? Not quite sure how this improves the >>>>> > project as a whole. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni < >>>>> > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the >>>>> >> white space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later >>>>> >> though. I hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to >>>>> >> really make sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps >>>>> >> before >>>>> >> this changes the core code, so anyone who has the time please do test >>>>> >> this >>>>> >> and let us know if you notice anything change or break, thanks! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) < >>>>> >> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>>> >>> Caveats: NONE >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch should >>>>> >>> still >>>>> >>> apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation guidance >>>>> >>> explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want >>>>> >>> this >>>>> >>> done - >>>>> >>> let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> v/r -douglas >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Douglas Maxwell, MSME >>>>> >>> Science and Technology Manager >>>>> >>> Virtual World Strategic Applications >>>>> >>> U.S. Army Research Lab >>>>> >>> Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC) >>>>> >>> (c) (407) 242-0209 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>> From: [email protected] >>>>> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael >>>>> >>> Emory >>>>> >>> Cerquoni >>>>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM >>>>> >>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for >>>>> >>> testing, >>>>> >>> thanks >>>>> >>> guys! >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann >>>>> >>> <[email protected]> >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Opensim Devs >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission >>>>> >>> from >>>>> >>> project >>>>> >>> MOSES. Thanks. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -- >>>>> >>> Michael Heilmann >>>>> >>> Research Associate >>>>> >>> Institute for Simulation and Training >>>>> >>> University of Central Florida >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>> >>> [email protected] >>>>> >>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> >>> <blockedhttp://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> -- >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>>> >>> Caveats: NONE >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>> >>> [email protected] >>>>> >>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> URL: >>>>> <http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/attachments/20150424/28f4856d/attachment.html> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> End of Opensim-dev Digest, Vol 13, Issue 34 >>>>> ******************************************* >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > > > > -- > Michael Emory Cerquoni > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
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