It would seem Moses is trying to help with the code. On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Dahlia Trimble <[email protected]> wrote:
> If anyone here is willing to help with maintaining ever increasingly > complex code and supporting users, feel free to chip in. Talk is cheap. > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Frank Nichols <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Then basically we can never diverge away from SL since any divergence is >> going to break existing scripts that require compatibility. >> >> If we don't bite the bullet and make the changes, i do believe OS will >> (has?) stagnate. It seems every time outside resources try to make changes >> and help we end up back at the argument that too much legacy code will have >> to be rewritten. I suggest that we "fork" core, in essence. By this i mean >> we have a switch in core, SL COMPATIBILITY MODE. switch equals true and it >> runs the code as it is, switch equals FALSE and it runs a new code base >> with changes. Default can be true. I then suggest we focus future >> development on the new branch that is not compatible. >> >> Frank >> >> Sent from my iPad Air 2 >> >> On Apr 24, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am all for diverging away from SL, but not at the expense of breaking >> existing systems or content, because ultimately its the core development >> team who has to deal with the fall out of that. >> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Seth Nygard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I am in full support of showing the actual numbers for all system >>> metrics. It is long past time we dispensed with trying to be like SL when >>> we are not in so many ways already. >>> >>> What I would suggest as a solution that should fit everyone's needs. >>> How about we add a scaling factor that can be set in the INI file. This >>> can be set to yield the current inflated numbers by default, but can also >>> be set to 1 for anyone wanting real numbers. >>> >>> -Seth >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:50 PM, <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Send Opensim-dev mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Opensim-dev digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) (Michael Emory Cerquoni) >>>> 2. Re: MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) (Michael Emory Cerquoni) >>>> 3. Re: MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) (Michael Emory Cerquoni) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:40:39 -0400 >>>> From: Michael Emory Cerquoni <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAF5= >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the >>>> white >>>> space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later though. >>>> I >>>> hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to really make >>>> sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps before this >>>> changes >>>> the core code, so anyone who has the time please do test this and let us >>>> know if you notice anything change or break, thanks! >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>> > Caveats: NONE >>>> > >>>> > What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch should >>>> still >>>> > apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation guidance >>>> > explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want >>>> this >>>> > done - >>>> > let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings. >>>> > >>>> > v/r -douglas >>>> > >>>> > Douglas Maxwell, MSME >>>> > Science and Technology Manager >>>> > Virtual World Strategic Applications >>>> > U.S. Army Research Lab >>>> > Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC) >>>> > (c) (407) 242-0209 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: [email protected] >>>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael >>>> Emory >>>> > Cerquoni >>>> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM >>>> > To: [email protected] >>>> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted >>>> > >>>> > please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for >>>> testing, >>>> > thanks >>>> > guys! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Opensim Devs >>>> > >>>> > Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission >>>> from >>>> > project >>>> > MOSES. Thanks. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Michael Heilmann >>>> > Research Associate >>>> > Institute for Simulation and Training >>>> > University of Central Florida >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> > <blockedhttp://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > >>>> > Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>> > >>>> > Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>> > Caveats: NONE >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> > [email protected] >>>> > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: < >>>> http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/attachments/20150424/981b6919/attachment-0001.html >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:42:52 -0400 >>>> From: Michael Emory Cerquoni <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAF5= >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> ok so just so I understand we should now see this actually just display >>>> 11fps? Personally I think this is a bad idea, alot of people may be >>>> using >>>> monitoring apps and scripts that look for low fps and restart the >>>> region, >>>> we would basically be forcing everyone to rewrite a lot of code to >>>> accommodate a singular purpose? Not quite sure how this improves the >>>> project as a whole. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the >>>> > white space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later >>>> > though. I hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to >>>> > really make sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps >>>> before >>>> > this changes the core code, so anyone who has the time please do test >>>> this >>>> > and let us know if you notice anything change or break, thanks! >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) >>>> < >>>> > [email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>> >> Caveats: NONE >>>> >> >>>> >> What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch should >>>> >> still >>>> >> apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation >>>> guidance >>>> >> explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want >>>> this >>>> >> done - >>>> >> let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings. >>>> >> >>>> >> v/r -douglas >>>> >> >>>> >> Douglas Maxwell, MSME >>>> >> Science and Technology Manager >>>> >> Virtual World Strategic Applications >>>> >> U.S. Army Research Lab >>>> >> Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC) >>>> >> (c) (407) 242-0209 >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> From: [email protected] >>>> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael >>>> Emory >>>> >> Cerquoni >>>> >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM >>>> >> To: [email protected] >>>> >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted >>>> >> >>>> >> please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for >>>> testing, >>>> >> thanks >>>> >> guys! >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Opensim Devs >>>> >> >>>> >> Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission >>>> from >>>> >> project >>>> >> MOSES. Thanks. >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Michael Heilmann >>>> >> Research Associate >>>> >> Institute for Simulation and Training >>>> >> University of Central Florida >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> >>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> >> <blockedhttp:// >>>> opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> >>>> >> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>> >> >>>> >> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>> >> Caveats: NONE >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: < >>>> http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/attachments/20150424/ac0c082d/attachment-0001.html >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:50:32 -0400 >>>> From: Michael Emory Cerquoni <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <CAF5=rqWbXjfgv5Au9VDa+_b8AsvY4NpL2CFxY=4L=ncE= >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> I have to admit I am a bit bewildered at this patch, what is the actual >>>> benefit of reporting the actual numbers if it has the potential to >>>> break so >>>> much? Can we rethink this and have this be a variable that can be >>>> configured for different applications, I really hate the idea of forcing >>>> this change on everyone without much better ability to explain why this >>>> is >>>> so important, having it just go from 55fps to 11fps is going to freak >>>> people out and cause a lot of problems for the core development support >>>> teams. To me it makes more sense to make the multiplication factor >>>> configurable so that if a certain grid wants to run at normal stats they >>>> can set the modifier to 1.0 if a certain grid wants to be an analogue of >>>> second life they can change the modifier to 5.0, but if forcing >>>> everyone to >>>> use this is the only option I have to say my vote is -1 for inclusion at >>>> this point, unless someone can really convince me why this is so >>>> important >>>> otherwise. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > ok so just so I understand we should now see this actually just >>>> display >>>> > 11fps? Personally I think this is a bad idea, alot of people may be >>>> using >>>> > monitoring apps and scripts that look for low fps and restart the >>>> region, >>>> > we would basically be forcing everyone to rewrite a lot of code to >>>> > accommodate a singular purpose? Not quite sure how this improves the >>>> > project as a whole. >>>> > >>>> > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni < >>>> > [email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the >>>> >> white space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later >>>> >> though. I hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to >>>> >> really make sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps >>>> before >>>> >> this changes the core code, so anyone who has the time please do >>>> test this >>>> >> and let us know if you notice anything change or break, thanks! >>>> >> >>>> >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL >>>> (US) < >>>> >> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>> >>> Caveats: NONE >>>> >>> >>>> >>> What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch >>>> should >>>> >>> still >>>> >>> apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation >>>> guidance >>>> >>> explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want >>>> this >>>> >>> done - >>>> >>> let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> v/r -douglas >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Douglas Maxwell, MSME >>>> >>> Science and Technology Manager >>>> >>> Virtual World Strategic Applications >>>> >>> U.S. Army Research Lab >>>> >>> Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC) >>>> >>> (c) (407) 242-0209 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>> From: [email protected] >>>> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael >>>> >>> Emory >>>> >>> Cerquoni >>>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM >>>> >>> To: [email protected] >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted >>>> >>> >>>> >>> please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for >>>> testing, >>>> >>> thanks >>>> >>> guys! >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Opensim Devs >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission >>>> from >>>> >>> project >>>> >>> MOSES. Thanks. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> Michael Heilmann >>>> >>> Research Associate >>>> >>> Institute for Simulation and Training >>>> >>> University of Central Florida >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> >>> [email protected] >>>> >>> >>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> >>> <blockedhttp:// >>>> opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED >>>> >>> Caveats: NONE >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> >>> [email protected] >>>> >>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Michael Emory Cerquoni >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: < >>>> http://opensimulator.org/pipermail/opensim-dev/attachments/20150424/28f4856d/attachment.html >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> End of Opensim-dev Digest, Vol 13, Issue 34 >>>> ******************************************* >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Michael Emory Cerquoni >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >
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