Jezz, seriously, this is how you expect to garner serious support from people that can advance OS beyond being a toy that a few people play with.
> On Apr 25, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Dahlia Trimble <[email protected]> wrote: > > It is indeed unfortunate that questionable results may have been propagated. > Please bear in mind that few, if any, developers of OpenSimulator have > committed to producing a software which is intended for such purposes. There > are likely many artifices in OpenSimulator and in 3D graphics applications in > general. I would *strongly suggest* that those who attempt to use the > software for such purposes take responsibility for understanding the > applicability of this software for their purposes. > > I will also suggest that a review of the license for OpenSimulator might be > in order, quoted here for your convenience: > > > * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without > * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions are met: > * * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright > * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. > * * Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyrightD > * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the > * documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. > * * Neither the name of the OpenSimulator Project nor the > * names of its contributors may be used to endorse or promote products > * derived from this software without specific prior written permission. > * > * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE DEVELOPERS ``AS IS'' AND ANY > * EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED > * WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE > * DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY > * DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES > * (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR > SERVICES; > * LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND > * ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT > * (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF > THIS > * SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE." > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 4:39 AM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Good design principles reduce complexity while maintaining or increasing > functionality. I am not in support of the idea of introducing multiplier > variables into the ini file. This is for a number of reasons, one being > there are a large number of multiplier variables that could be needed and the > ini file is already complicated enough. Adding more variables and code, > rather than fixing bad code is not a responsible solution. > > > This is a gut-check opportunity for the devs. At some point in the past, > somebody made the decision to artificially inflate these numbers and now > (years later), that mistake has caught up with us. The longer you wait, the > more painful the correction will be. It should be corrected, and any > monitoring tools updated. It is the responsible course of action. > > > We are attempting to help you by addressing physics and networking issues > within the Open Simulator. Step Zero of this process is trusting the > simulator statistics. > > > Douglas Maxwell, MSME > Science and Technology Manager > Virtual World Strategic Applications > U.S. Army Research Lab > Human Research & Engineering Directorate > Simulation & Training Technology Center > (c) (407) 242-0209 <tel:%28407%29%20242-0209> > From: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > [[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>] on behalf of Michael Emory > Cerquoni [[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 8:59 PM > > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) > > What do you think about making the multiplier a modifiable variable in > OpenSim.ini? This will allow anyone who wants to improve performance and use > the stock #'s and in the meantime people can continue to use the code in a > meaningful way without having to rewrite scripts and monitoring tools to > continue testing other code that may be pushed into core, especially if the > end goal is to get statistics to report back at the original numbers? I am > mostly just trying to understand the end goal myself. If that is not > possible I would suggest this work be moved into a development branch until > we can get statistics back to the normal numbers again? Otherwise we are > talking about locking the code down to all other development until this > process is complete, and no one has discussed any kind of time frame for this > level of changes to complete, I would hate to put a complete halt to > development in order for this to happen. I am not against doing what you > suggest, I just want to make sure we do it in the most efficient way > possible. Would be good to hear what others in the core development have to > say, hopefully Justin and Diva and Melanie, Misterblue, BlueWall, you guys > can chime in here as well, as I am only one person here and for the record > just voicing my own concerns, I am far from the final say on any of this > stuff. > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) > <[email protected] > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote: > Folks, before we can make any meaningful progress in performance enhancements > to the open simulator we have to be able to rely on the simulator statistics. > Currently they are (purposefully) misreported to make the simulator look > like it is performing better than it really is. This is not acceptable if we > are to dig in and begin to assist. > > Douglas Maxwell, MSME > Science and Technology Manager > Virtual World Strategic Applications > U.S. Army Research Lab > Human Research & Engineering Directorate > Simulation & Training Technology Center > (c) (407) 242-0209 <tel:%28407%29%20242-0209> > > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > [[email protected] > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>] on behalf of Melanie > [[email protected] <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>] > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 5:56 PM > To: [email protected] > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted (UNCLASSIFIED) > > It is also my opinion that this change isn't fit for core. If and > when additional stats, like "real fps" and "physics engine fps" can > be shown in the viewer, then that would be good but the viewer stats > window should continue to show the fudged figures indefinitely. This > is because people don't only use scripts but also bots to do > monitoring and bots receive the same data the viewer receives. > > - Melanie > > On 24/04/2015 23:42, Michael Emory Cerquoni wrote: > > ok so just so I understand we should now see this actually just display > > 11fps? Personally I think this is a bad idea, alot of people may be using > > monitoring apps and scripts that look for low fps and restart the region, > > we would basically be forcing everyone to rewrite a lot of code to > > accommodate a singular purpose? Not quite sure how this improves the > > project as a whole. > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Michael Emory Cerquoni < > > [email protected] > > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote: > > > >> ok I will continue testing this for now, we should try to resolve the > >> white space issues before it hits core, we can worry about that later > >> though. I hope others can start testing this patch as well we need to > >> really make sure this does not break any scripts or monitoring apps before > >> this changes the core code, so anyone who has the time please do test this > >> and let us know if you notice anything change or break, thanks! > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Maxwell, Douglas CIV USARMY ARL (US) < > >> [email protected] > >> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> wrote: > >> > >>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED > >>> Caveats: NONE > >>> > >>> What you saw were just warnings about white spaces. The patch should > >>> still > >>> apply and work. We follows the open simulator patch creation guidance > >>> explicitly, if you guys have updated instructions for how you want this > >>> done - > >>> let us know. Otherwise, you can ignore the warnings. > >>> > >>> v/r -douglas > >>> > >>> Douglas Maxwell, MSME > >>> Science and Technology Manager > >>> Virtual World Strategic Applications > >>> U.S. Army Research Lab > >>> Simulation & Training Technology Center (STTC) > >>> (c) (407) 242-0209 <tel:%28407%29%20242-0209> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] > >>> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > >>> [mailto:[email protected] > >>> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>] On Behalf Of > >>> Michael Emory > >>> Cerquoni > >>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > >>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] MOSES patch submitted > >>> > >>> please check the mantis, i had some trouble applying patch for testing, > >>> thanks > >>> guys! > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Michael Heilmann <[email protected] > >>> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Opensim Devs > >>> > >>> Just an FYI, mantis bug #7540 is the first code submission from > >>> project > >>> MOSES. Thanks. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Michael Heilmann > >>> Research Associate > >>> Institute for Simulation and Training > >>> University of Central Florida > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Opensim-dev mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > >>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >>> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > >>> <blockedhttp://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >>> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Michael Emory Cerquoni > >>> > >>> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED > >>> Caveats: NONE > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Opensim-dev mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > >>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >>> <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Michael Emory Cerquoni > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensim-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > [email protected] > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > [email protected] > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > <https://web-mont05.mail.mil/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx> > > > > -- > Michael Emory Cerquoni > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > <http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev> > > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev
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