Just to clarify on the slight chance it was missed, I wasn't suggesting anyone "fork off" in any sense of the term. Many forks, both public and private, already exist and I suspect more will come about. My hope is that the community will survuve and even thrive beyond any code fork.
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Morgaine <[email protected]> wrote: > Dahlia writes: > *> I'd like to see disagreement and forks as a means to drive innovation > rather than conflict.* > > More often than not, real project forking into separate projects (not just > forking in the github sense) implies an inability or lack of desire to find > a meeting of minds with technical peers. > > If requirements are dramatically different then project forking can be a > very reasonable way forward, and to the benefit of everybody. But if the > requirements are really quite similar then forking is more likely an > indication of inflexibility and intransigence by one or both parties. The > communal engineering process has probably failed. > > This is a technical project, so it's inherently different to discussing > the merits of cat pictures -- discussions can be objective. A rationally > presented suggestion or even a strong criticism presented in good faith is > not a reason for telling people to fork off. If that is the response then > it's a sign of extreme project ill health. > > Negative feedback is intrinsic to good engineering, and all good engineers > embrace it. That's not theoretical. Without it a project's direction > would never change to take into consideration the bitter lessons of > experience. > > Morgaine. > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Dahlia Trimble <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Apparently there is still a fair bit of passion about this platform and I >> prefer to see this in a manner where people can use the code in a way they >> see fit and to (hopefully) contribute back something or pay it forward in >> other ways as appropriate. I'm not opposed to forks but I'd hope civil >> discourse can be maintained even through the times when much disagreement >> looms. I would hope that various forks and branches could benefit from each >> other and the community as a whole can thereby benefit. I'd like to see >> disagreement and forks as a means to drive innovation rather than conflict. >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Morgaine <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Good data, thanks Cinder. It doesn't look like death to me. >>> >>> You clearly have some elite query-foo skills, can you generate a >>> historical list of commits per month and per year? This is a very strong >>> way of debunking allegations of death! :P >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Cinder Roxley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On May 26, 2015 at 2:59:54 PM, Morgaine ([email protected]) >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm just an observer on this project, albeit a very long term one, >>>> dating back to near the beginning. One thing that long-term observers are >>>> well qualified to do is to confirm or to deny the veracity of allegations >>>> of long-term trends. >>>> >>>> Mike Chase's allegation that >>>> >>>> "OpenSim is slowly dieing (IMO) from neglect" >>>> >>>> is clearly unfounded since commits show no sign of stopping. I haven't >>>> checked the rate of commits so perhaps Mike has more information in this >>>> regard. I welcome better information. >>>> >>>> https://www.openhub.net/p/opensimulator/commits/summary >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cinder Roxley >>>> Sent with Airmail >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > [email protected] > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > >
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