Fleep,
Here's my personal understandings and opinions on your first question:
The only straightforward solution (afaik) would be to create a new
viewer framework from the ground up with code written in bias of
OpenSim's unique properties. Considering how much time and effort is
required to develop and maintain the current viewers and that it's
almost completely done on a non-paying volunteer basis, it's safe to say
that it will be some time until the problem is completely resolved. If
there's anyone here who's a crack coder working on a secret viewer,
please speak up and set my timeline straight.
Now, as for grid locations - I completely respect the concept of moving
grids below 4096, but I also happen to share an opinion (and not a
popular one) that 10000, 10000 should be the default location around
which all grids /interested in being part of the hypergrid community/
should congregate. This is because OSGrid is centered there and has
been - long before HG was introduced. For myself and many others it is
(and always will be) the center of the known metaverse. Since it's also
the development grid for OpenSim itself why not make it home base? I
understand some people aren't necessarily fond of OSGrid for it's
non-uniform nature, some have never visited or have only limited
knowledge of its inner workings and others are looking for grids with a
currency system geared for fame and fortune. However, there a few
aspects of OSGrid which make it the ideal Hypergrid nexus:
1. It's completely free and open, even in it's content and services.
Anyone can land there, pick up a folder load of freebies, meet people
who can answer technical questions and hyperjump to many interesting
locations.
2. It offers OpenSim newcomers a chance to connect to a functioning grid
and learn the basic ins and outs of roll your own regions before
striking out on their own and setting up standalone grids.
3. Barring a major malfunction of the main servers, there will always be
some part of OSGrid up and running. This is not always the case with
independent grids as we've all experienced.
4. Given the first three points and probably several other benefits that
go unmentioned, it would be far easier for people to relocate their
grids (of considerably less size and complexity) closer to OSGrid than
the other way around.
This is /my/ reason for placing my grid around 8000, 8000 and I know
there are others who do likewise. If grid owners/managers prefer to
remain below 4096 they can and should place intermediate jump parcels
accordingly. What's one extra jump in the entire process? I've taken
the subway to and from work and other locations for years with line
changes as part of my daily commute. My only other option would be to
move closer to work - I choose not to. I guess I view that and hypergrid
travel in the same light - an invaluable convenience, imperfect in it's
design, but unmatched by any alternatives within the given framework.
Just my 0.02 USD ;)
- core
On 9/22/2011 11:56 AM, Fleep Tuque wrote:
Hi all,
I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it
appears many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine. In
testing, I've not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of
FleepGrid to any destination, and I'm having a lot of confusion about
the 4096 limitation to figure out suitable grids/regions to try to
teleport to so I can chase down what's going wrong.
In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several
questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer or
point me to better resources for finding the answers.
QUESTION 1: I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate
their sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based
on this blog post - The 4096 "Bug":
http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222 It appears many people are NOT
changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a reason why? If
I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not going to go
away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing them to
make hypergridding easier for travelers.. I haven't changed them on
FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best
course to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati
grid we're about to install.
QUESTION 2: If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then
don't we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG
address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump
or not? I'm finding
http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely unhelpful as a
directory because I don't know the region centers or opensim/hg
versions for most of the destinations. So when my jump fails, I don't
know if it's a problem on my end or because the region was too far
away or because it's on a different version than me. The Hypergrid
Mall is another example, http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the
front page it has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or
version info, so when my jump fails, I don't know why.
QUESTION 3: I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for
a hypergrid URL. I've seen so many variations!
secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName
http://domain.com:8002:RegionName
http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName
Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in
them, is a "%20" required or not? Which of the following is correct?
http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name
http://domain.com:8002:Region Name
http://domain.com:8002: Region Name
QUESTION 4: FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface
version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but
I also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000. If
you're running a compatible version of opensim and theoretically I
SHOULD be able to hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with
the address so I can give it a try on a known "should work" region?
I'm finding so many broken addresses and links and things I'm going
crazy trying to figure out what's wrong with hypergridding out.
................
I've reviewed the wiki pages
http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and
http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm
obviously still confused about some things.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm
behind the curve..
- Chris/Fleep
Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque)
Project Manager, UC Second Life
UCit Instructional & Research Computing
University of Cincinnati
406E Zimmer Hall
PO Box 210088
Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088
(513)556-3018
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
http://www.uc.edu/ucit/learningtools/secondlife.html
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