Well done Mimetic :) On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Mimetic Core <[email protected]> wrote:
> ** > Fleep, > > Here's my personal understandings and opinions on your first question: > > The only straightforward solution (afaik) would be to create a new viewer > framework from the ground up with code written in bias of OpenSim's unique > properties. Considering how much time and effort is required to develop and > maintain the current viewers and that it's almost completely done on a > non-paying volunteer basis, it's safe to say that it will be some time until > the problem is completely resolved. If there's anyone here who's a crack > coder working on a secret viewer, please speak up and set my timeline > straight. > > Now, as for grid locations - I completely respect the concept of moving > grids below 4096, but I also happen to share an opinion (and not a popular > one) that 10000, 10000 should be the default location around which all grids > *interested in being part of the hypergrid community* should congregate. > This is because OSGrid is centered there and has been - long before HG was > introduced. For myself and many others it is (and always will be) the > center of the known metaverse. Since it's also the development grid for > OpenSim itself why not make it home base? I understand some people aren't > necessarily fond of OSGrid for it's non-uniform nature, some have never > visited or have only limited knowledge of its inner workings and others are > looking for grids with a currency system geared for fame and fortune. > However, there a few aspects of OSGrid which make it the ideal Hypergrid > nexus: > > 1. It's completely free and open, even in it's content and services. > Anyone can land there, pick up a folder load of freebies, meet people who > can answer technical questions and hyperjump to many interesting locations. > > 2. It offers OpenSim newcomers a chance to connect to a functioning grid > and learn the basic ins and outs of roll your own regions before striking > out on their own and setting up standalone grids. > > 3. Barring a major malfunction of the main servers, there will always be > some part of OSGrid up and running. This is not always the case with > independent grids as we've all experienced. > > 4. Given the first three points and probably several other benefits that go > unmentioned, it would be far easier for people to relocate their grids (of > considerably less size and complexity) closer to OSGrid than the other way > around. > > This is *my* reason for placing my grid around 8000, 8000 and I know there > are others who do likewise. If grid owners/managers prefer to remain below > 4096 they can and should place intermediate jump parcels accordingly. > What's one extra jump in the entire process? I've taken the subway to and > from work and other locations for years with line changes as part of my > daily commute. My only other option would be to move closer to work - I > choose not to. I guess I view that and hypergrid travel in the same light - > an invaluable convenience, imperfect in it's design, but unmatched by any > alternatives within the given framework. > > Just my 0.02 USD ;) > > - core > > > On 9/22/2011 11:56 AM, Fleep Tuque wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm having some trouble hypergridding FROM FleepGrid, though it appears > many folks are able to hypergrid TO FleepGrid just fine. In testing, I've > not yet been able to successfully hypergrid out of FleepGrid to any > destination, and I'm having a lot of confusion about the 4096 limitation to > figure out suitable grids/regions to try to teleport to so I can chase down > what's going wrong. > > In the course of trying to chase down the problem, I've got several > questions that I'm hoping someone on the list can either answer or point me > to better resources for finding the answers. > > QUESTION 1: I understand Diva is encouraging everyone to relocate their > sims to centers less than 4096,4096 and I understand why based on this blog > post - The 4096 "Bug": http://metaverseink.com/blog/?p=222 It appears > many people are NOT changing their coords to the lower centers, is there a > reason why? If I'm reading Diva's post correctly, the limitation is not > going to go away any time soon so I'm wondering why folks aren't changing > them to make hypergridding easier for travelers.. I haven't changed them on > FleepGrid yet either (9000,9000) and trying to decide what's the best course > to take both for FleepGrid and for the University of Cincinnati grid we're > about to install. > > QUESTION 2: If people aren't going to change to lower centers, then > don't we all need to publish the region centers in addition to the HG > address in order for travelers to know whether they can make the jump or > not? I'm finding http://www.hyperica.com/complete-grid-list/ completely > unhelpful as a directory because I don't know the region centers or > opensim/hg versions for most of the destinations. So when my jump fails, I > don't know if it's a problem on my end or because the region was too far > away or because it's on a different version than me. The Hypergrid Mall is > another example, http://hypergridmall.com/ - Right on the front page it > has the hypergrid address, but no center coords or version info, so when my > jump fails, I don't know why. > > QUESTION 3: I'm completely confused about the correct formatting for a > hypergrid URL. I've seen so many variations! > > secondlife://domain.com:8002:RegionName > http://domain.com:8002:RegionName > http://hg.domain.com:8002:RegionName > > Also not sure about proper formatting for region names with spaces in > them, is a "%20" required or not? Which of the following is correct? > > http://domain.com:8002:Region%20Name > http://domain.com:8002:Region Name > http://domain.com:8002: Region Name > > > QUESTION 4: FleepGrid is running OpenSim 0.7.1 Release (interface > version 7) and FleepGrid Plaza is centered at 9000,9000 currently, but I > also have a Hypergate region at 5000,5000 and 13000,13000. If you're > running a compatible version of opensim and theoretically I SHOULD be able > to hypergrid to your destination, can you reply with the address so I can > give it a try on a known "should work" region? I'm finding so many broken > addresses and links and things I'm going crazy trying to figure out what's > wrong with hypergridding out. > > ................ > > I've reviewed the wiki pages http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Hypergrid and > http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Installing_and_Running_Hypergrid but I'm > obviously still confused about some things. > > Thanks in advance for your thoughts or suggestions, and sorry if I'm > behind the curve.. > > - Chris/Fleep > > > Chris M. Collins (SL: Fleep Tuque) > Project Manager, UC Second Life > UCit Instructional & Research Computing > University of Cincinnati > 406E Zimmer Hall > PO Box 210088 > Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088 > (513)556-3018 > [email protected] > > http://www.uc.edu/ucit/learningtools/secondlife.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected]https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > > -- =================================== http://simhost.com http://twitter.com/jstallings2 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/770/a49
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