Hi Mic, I used to click on a big blue button on a web page to launch the viewer automatically and I would land where I am supposed, but I don't use this any more, I am not even sure if it still works, probably not. I do not know exactly how the browser viewer link was made before. R
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Mic Bowman <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Ramesh... > > Which option does kitely support? > > Do you know how the viewer gets started? Do singularity or firestorm > support the loginuri command line switch? > > I've thought about resurrecting the simian launcher code & seeing if i > could get it to work again... the openid support is still there in siman, i > just dont think its been tested in several years. > > --mic > > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Moriz Gupte <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi mic, >> Kitely implemented the approach you suggested but due to some changes >> with chrome (and some of the other browsers I think), now the recommended >> way to log in is through the viewer. Illan or Oren can perhaps tell us more >> or correct me. >> Ramesh >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Mic Bowman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have a related question... for a while simian provided a separate >>> "launcher" application could launch a viewer and embed in the login URI >>> your openid credentials (the launcher app when installed registered with >>> the internet browser as a handler for a URL scheme). It was pretty nice >>> because there was no need to set up login uris in the viewer at all (and >>> you didn't have to "login" if you had an authenticated OpenID). I still >>> have the code but it relied on the viewers supporting the command line >>> "--loginuri" switch so it stopped working when the viewers stopped >>> supporting that switch. >>> >>> At this point... i'm interested in one of two login/startup options: >>> >>> Option 1: provide a URL in a web page which, when clicked on, would >>> launch the viewer with the login uri embedded (obviously supporting an >>> openid authentication would be nice too). >>> >>> Option 2: provide a URL for a hypergrid link which, when clicked on, >>> would log you into your home grid with the startup region a hypergridded >>> region. >>> >>> I kind of prefer the second option because it doesn't require account >>> creation... but either one would help us with the login uri configuration >>> problem. >>> >>> --mic >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Diva Canto <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know about "branding" viewers, that's a whole other issue. >>>> But regarding the process to make these environments easily accessible to >>>> newcomers, I have some advice. >>>> >>>> A setup guide with painfully clear instructions works very well for >>>> people who have never used this system before. I'm making the one I wrote >>>> publicly available for non-commercial use, feel free to direct your users >>>> to it: >>>> http://www.ics.uci.edu/~lopes/opensim/SingularitySetupGuide.pdf >>>> I usually send this setup guide by email along with the two URLs that >>>> people need, one in step 1 and the other in step 4. In the email, I let >>>> them know that they will need those URLs in those steps. >>>> >>>> So far, I've had zero problems with people configuring things and >>>> login. >>>> >>>> Interacting while inside the world is another story, as these >>>> environments are extremely confusing for people who aren't used to them. >>>> For those of you designing educational settings in opensim, my >>>> recommendation is to design your environments so that people have a lot >>>> less degrees of freedom than what these viewers provide. For example, have >>>> people login to an environment with chairs/sits, and immediately have them >>>> click on a chair and sit down. The chairs should have scripts for >>>> controlling their cameras, so that they look at exactly the right thing, >>>> whatever that is. >>>> >>>> I wrote about some of these design issues here: >>>> >>>> http://tagide.com/blog/2013/03/design-and-implementation-of-a-virtual-collaboration-environment/ >>>> >>>> I've made peace with the fact that we have a complicated client >>>> software that people need to install and configure. The way to mitigate the >>>> complexity for newcomers is threefold: >>>> >>>> (1) avoid the Grid Manager altogether and use the grid textbox for the >>>> login URL, which, thank god!, the Singularity developers already did; >>>> >>>> (2) provide setup guides that are as clear as possible (we're not the >>>> only ones doing this, btw; many web conferencing systems also require >>>> software installation and configuration); and >>>> >>>> (3) design your environments so that they are as simple as possible -- >>>> these environments have too many degrees of freedom, but it's possible to >>>> reduce them. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2/19/2014 7:45 AM, Dr Ramesh Ramloll wrote: >>>> >>>> Kay, I think there are a number of things that need tailoring in >>>> addition to the ability of adding a grid (which as diva pointed is >>>> available in singularity). For my user base, no one will ever be interested >>>> to do even that (no interest => will never learn). I was hoping for some >>>> configuration file that can contain the needed custom data e.g. list of >>>> names of regions, urls to pictures of various regions etc.. and once the >>>> user downloads the viewer+drop the custom config file in the same folder, >>>> the config file is read and all the important pieces set on application >>>> launch. So may be working with tpv developers can help .... I definitely >>>> think that the only things the casual user should know is how to navigate, >>>> click/touch, and voice chat. The rest is for us. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Diva Canto <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Singularity already has this. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/19/2014 4:42 AM, Kay McLennan wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As an alternative to re-branding 3 different versions of a viewer >>>>> (to match 3 different operating systems) each time a viewer is upgraded, >>>>> would it be possible to develop viewers that utilize web browser-like >>>>> addresses (?). What I have in mind is being able to type (or copy) a >>>>> grid's login URL directly into the "Grid" text box. In this way, there is >>>>> no need to: (1) re-brand viewers; or (2) go through all of the steps >>>>> needed to add a grid to a viewer via the "Grid Manager" feature. >>>>> >>>>> Again, wouldn't it be easier to develop viewers that enable users to >>>>> simply type a grid URL into the grid name box (?). >>>>> >>>>> -- Kay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Opensim-users mailing >>>>> [email protected]https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 'Consider how the lilies grow. 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