Thank you Shaun and Unadecal. The problem it's I have no clue what a VPN is, means I need to google around and read, read until I understand what I am doing. The coming month will be a very busy one, in RL and also in Opensim. So looks like I must postpone this problem until January. If you have some helpful links with tutorials or where to get a cheap or free solution for VPN, Then can save the links and have a point to start with as soon as I get time for this. If you dont have, no worries, you all have done a lot for me already :)
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Unadecal Arado <[email protected]> wrote: > i agree with Shaun. A VPN seems to be your last resort in this case. Try a > free service before you spend money on something which may not be suitable. > As he says, you'll need to log in to the VPN before you log in to the grid. > > On 23 October 2015 at 12:21, Shaun T. Erickson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> A relatively cheap solution would be to get a VPN and hop onto that >> before firing up you viewer to log into your grid. It would make your grid >> think your coming from the Internet like everyone else and loop back issues >> go away. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 23, 2015, at 4:43 AM, Isis Ophelia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Many thanks to Fred Beckhusen for the very detailled how to set the >> Loopback. After I configured the Loopback I removed the line in the Host >> file and started the Standalone. I could not log in. I added the line again >> in the Host file. I loged in and hyper-teleported to the osgrid. But I >> could not go back home. Solution with the Loopback does not work for me. >> >> The Fritzbox routers I got to test, are not usable because they are too >> old. I need a router that is able to handle telephone through the internet >> and also my TV receiver. >> >> c) so now seems the only option available for me it's to set a VPS or pay >> to a provider to host my regions OR stay as I am hyper-travelling and >> loging off in the grid I am visiting to relog in my standalone. And for now >> I will opt for that. And wanted to let you all know. >> >> I appreciate a lot your responses and your suggestions. Thank you :)) >> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Isis Ophelia <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks so much for all replies. >>> OK even tough my Telekom router has inside a Nat Loopback and I can >>> configure it to forward the ports I mentioned above. It seems Thomas is >>> right. It says to have Nat Loopback but it does not work properly. A friend >>> told me to get a Fritzbox! router. I have hesitated to spend money in a new >>> router not knowing if that will solve my problem. But from your comments, I >>> see it is not opensim and not my configured files, it must be my router. >>> >>> Han Held, yes, that is all set. Works fine. >>> >>> Unadecal thanks a lot. Your answer to my July email has brought my >>> problem up, thank you :) I have reverted RegionConfig.ini to the one I had >>> before. Internal is now 0.0.0.0 and external is my dyndns domain from >>> no-ip. >>> A while back I installed the Microsoft Loopback Adapter. Even though I >>> see it listed in my Internet Connections, my router does not see it. >>> Googling around I have not found a tutorial on how to configure and use it. >>> The Loopback is still installed. Anyone has a usable tutorial link please? >>> >>> Thomas in the meantime I got 2 older Fritzbox! routers to test. I will >>> follow what you mentioned and will connect my Telekom router to the >>> Fritzbox! router and see if that fixes the problem. >>> >>> TO DO. >>> >>> a) Fritzbox test see what happens >>> b) if that doesnt help, then find a way on how to use the installed >>> Microsoft Loopback Adapter >>> c) or read around what a VPS is and test that solution. >>> >>> I will write in here, how I have been doing and if I solve the problem >>> will let you know how I solved it. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:50 AM, Unadecal Arado < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I concur with Thomas's outstanding explanation. >>>> >>>> In my experience, you might want to try doing the following: >>>> >>>> Make sure that your router forwards all the ports in use, and that >>>> Windows Firewall has them open. >>>> In RegionConfig, set all the internal ports to 0.0.0.0, and all the >>>> ExternalHostName to arcanavirtual.noip.me >>>> Undo changes to the hosts file. >>>> Try installing the Microsoft Loopback adaptor and test. >>>> If that does not work, uninstall the loopback adaptor and try a VPN >>>> instead, since it is clear that your router does not support NAT loopback, >>>> which is the source of your problem. >>>> >>>> I have used the FREE version of CyberGhost VPN in the past with some >>>> measure of success. >>>> The main thing here is to make sure that all the Opensim-specific >>>> parameters are set correctly, test this by having HG users teleport into >>>> your regions to verify that it all works, and then work on solving your NAT >>>> loopback without breaking your server. >>>> >>>> I hope you can come right with this :) >>>> >>>> On 21 October 2015 at 22:59, Thomas Ringate <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> opensim requires the loopback function to work for it to operate >>>>> correctly. >>>>> >>>>> Loopback can be implemented in a few ways as has already been >>>>> suggested. >>>>> >>>>> If your server and viewer are on the same computer, using the windows >>>>> loopback adapter will solve the problem for you. >>>>> >>>>> If you are running several servers on an internal network, or you are >>>>> trying to connect to a server on an internal network from a client, ”your >>>>> viewer” which is on a different machine on the same internal network then >>>>> the router must support loopback. >>>>> >>>>> Most new home routers do not support loopback, and even those that >>>>> claim to support it usually do not correctly support it. This can be seen >>>>> using a sniffer you can see that addresses in the individual packets often >>>>> get the address of the router, rather than the actual address of the >>>>> sending computer. Fortunately this problem usually results in a timeout >>>>> and opensim usually will do a retry and these “broken servers” for >>>>> whatever >>>>> reason often get it right more than they get it wrong. >>>>> >>>>> If you do not have a router that correctly supports loopback, and you >>>>> are not running everything on the same computer your only hope is to use a >>>>> VPN to get outside of your local network so the remote router can do the >>>>> loopback functions for you. >>>>> >>>>> In my case I have Verizon FioS which uses the Actiontec modem which >>>>> does not support loopback according to the manufacturer and using a >>>>> sniffer >>>>> I can say they are correct. It does not. However Verizon has implemented >>>>> something in their head end some how that “tries” to implement it. It >>>>> works right about 40% of the time. >>>>> >>>>> I found after hours and hours of discussion with Verizon technical >>>>> support that their commercial costumers solve this problem by simply >>>>> placing a router that does support loopback directly on their ONT and then >>>>> connecting the Actiontec router to that router. That is exactly what I >>>>> have done using an old Linksys router and everything is now working fine. >>>>> >>>>> The correct term of the feature we are talking about is “NAT >>>>> loopback”. *NAT loopback*, also known as *NAT* hairpinning or *NAT* >>>>> reflection, is a feature in many consumer routers which permits the access >>>>> of a service via the public IP address from inside the local network. >>>>> >>>>> I believe your issue is the perfect example of why opensim requires >>>>> loopback to work. The address of your local world is known by it’s NAT >>>>> address, outside of your local network which is an un-routable address. >>>>> >>>>> By messing with your host file you can fake things for yourself inside >>>>> your local network, but the IP address opensim is sending is either your >>>>> external IP address or the local IP address. It can not determine when to >>>>> send one or the other so it sends what you tell it by a specific IP >>>>> address >>>>> or the domain name. >>>>> >>>>> With a router that supports NAT loopback, you use the domain name and >>>>> both internal and external users work just fine. If the router does not >>>>> support it, and you are only running one opensim server on your local >>>>> network, if you use your NAT address, only local users will work fine. If >>>>> you use you external IP address only external users will work fine. If >>>>> you >>>>> run multiple opensim servers your router must support loopback if you >>>>> expect remote users to be able to move between your regions on the >>>>> different local servers without problems. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Han Held <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 2:26 PM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-users] HG - Not able to teleport back home >>>>> >>>>> 192.168.2.xxx is an internal network number; that works fine until you >>>>> have to connect to the outside internet, once you do that opensim gets >>>>> confused. >>>>> >>>>> I have a no-ip address which I set up to my actual home LAN number, >>>>> which I get from whatismyip.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/21/2015 07:54 AM, Isis Ophelia wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thank you Garmin. I have configured my internet connection to be a >>>>> static internal IP which is 192.168.2.10. Following your suggestion I >>>>> replaced the 0.0.0.0 with that IP. >>>>> Result is: The console shows: >>>>> 17:48:30 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Welcome authenticated and authorized >>>>> incoming >>>>> root agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77 (circuit >>>>> code 40308 >>>>> 2697) >>>>> >>>>> And the viewer tells me: We are having problems connecting. There >>>>> might be a problem with your internet connection or the Arcana World Grid. >>>>> So pity this does not help :( >>>>> Thank so much though :) >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 4:24 PM, GarminKawaguichi < >>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe try that: >>>>>> in your RegionConfig.ini >>>>>> >>>>>> InternalAddress = something like 192.168.0.??? (local lan address >>>>>> different for different computers on a same lan) >>>>>> >>>>>> MML >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 21/10/2015 15:37, Isis Ophelia a écrit : >>>>>> >>>>>> Stand October 21, 2015 >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) router is configured to forward TCP and UDP Ports 9000-9006 >>>>>> 2) windows firewall Inbound Rule TPC ports 9000-9006 and UDP Ports >>>>>> 9000-9006 for diva-r25950 -> Opensim.exe >>>>>> 3) Dyndns noip installed software that will update my external IP >>>>>> each time it changes >>>>>> 4) Hosts file: 127.0.0.1 arcanavirtual.noip.me >>>>>> This add-on in the host file is recommended from Diva Canto in the >>>>>> Instructions file, when diva opensim and viewer are installed in the same >>>>>> PC. When I remove the line from the Hosts file, I am not able to connect >>>>>> to >>>>>> my Standalone with any viewer installed in my PC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Attached MyWorld.ini and RegionConfig.ini >>>>>> >>>>>> In the RegionConfig.ini the line: ExternalHostName = "SYSTEMIP" >>>>>> replacing SYSTEMIP with my external domain does not make any difference. >>>>>> >>>>>> With these configurations, I can connect to my Standalone. I can work >>>>>> in my 6 regions. I can hyperteleport to any HG enable grid. And a test >>>>>> showed that others can reach my Standalone and go back to their home >>>>>> grid. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am still not able to go back home. The message I get in the Console >>>>>> says something like: unexpectedly still child avatar. >>>>>> >>>>>> So for now, I just log off in the hypergrid I am visiting, and log on >>>>>> in my Standalone again. >>>>>> >>>>>> Many thanks :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Unadecal Arado < >>>>>> <[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Isis, please see comments to your original post: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of the top of my head, you need to forward the simulator ports on >>>>>>> the router and Windows Firewall (I completely disable Windows Firewall >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> all my computers). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adding your domain name as a loopback alias in the hosts file is a >>>>>>> sign that your router is unable to handle loopback calls, i.e. is >>>>>>> unable to >>>>>>> resolve your domain name to your external IPand allow traffic to travel >>>>>>> back into and through itself. There are other software solutions to >>>>>>> this, >>>>>>> such as using a vpn while you are logged into the viewer. Fiddling with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> hosts file is not recommended. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I haven't seen your regionsconfig.ini, but make sure that the >>>>>>> address entry contains your domain name andnot your ip address >>>>>>> (internal or >>>>>>> external) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These are the things I can think of off the top of my head, I hope >>>>>>> it helps :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9 July 2015 at 13:27, Isis Ophelia < <[email protected]> >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone running diva as standalone HG enabled in own PC? I hope you >>>>>>>> have a solution for my problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> System: Windows 8.1 >>>>>>>> Diva (OpenSim 0.8.1 post-fixes) Added 5/26/201 >>>>>>>> Mowes: for mysql + php + apache >>>>>>>> Windows Firewall: Inbound rules to open ports TCP + UDP 9100-9106 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ===> Also needs to forward 9250-9255 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Router: forwarding ports TCP + UDP 9100-9106 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ===> Also needs to forward 9250-9255 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> DynDNS: noip with installed updater software in this pc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Diva installation and viewer in the same LAN PC >>>>>>>> hosts: added in the hosts file this line: 127.0.0.1 >>>>>>>> arcanavirtual.noip.me >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ===> Adding a loopback to localhost (127.0.0.1) as the domain name >>>>>>> can be problematic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Name of the Standalone: Arcana Magic >>>>>>>> With login url: <http://arcanavirtual.noip.me:9100/> >>>>>>>> http://arcanavirtual.noip.me:9100/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Set Home Position in the default region. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can log to my standalone. >>>>>>>> I can teleport to different other HG grids (have tested Metropolis, >>>>>>>> OsGrid, Digiworldz) >>>>>>>> But I never arrive when teleporting back home. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Console shows these messages: >>>>>>>> 11:10:23 - [GATEKEEPER SERVICE]: Login request for Isis.Ophelia >>>>>>>> @arcanavirtual.n >>>>>>>> oip.me @ http://arcanavirtual.noip.me:9100/ >>>>>>>> (1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d7 >>>>>>>> 7) at b773f2f0-0755-4542-9772-cad2b9add4b3 using viewer Avination >>>>>>>> 0.5.0.6219, ch >>>>>>>> annel Avination, IP 192.168.2.10, Mac >>>>>>>> 469947894f9e298a7726b4a58ff7bf9f, Id0 f33e >>>>>>>> 5e6cd69709d805b47dabf4089ab2, Teleport Flags: ViaHome. From region >>>>>>>> Nile Goddess >>>>>>>> (2f7ad640-21a9-0e0e-fb41-db1ed7fe9517) @ >>>>>>>> http://login.digiworldz.com:8002/ >>>>>>>> 11:10:23 - [SCENE]: Region Arcana Magic authenticated and >>>>>>>> authorized incoming ch >>>>>>>> ild agent Isis Ophelia 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa06d77 >>>>>>>> (circuit code 280539 >>>>>>>> 970) >>>>>>>> 11:10:44 - [SCENE]: Found presence Isis Ophelia >>>>>>>> 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa0 >>>>>>>> 6d77 unexpectedly still child in Arcana Magic >>>>>>>> 11:10:44 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow handling of 86 PUT >>>>>>>> /agent/1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499 >>>>>>>> d0aa06d77/ from 38.130.222.165:57688 took 20094ms >>>>>>>> 11:11:06 - [SCENE]: Found presence Isis Ophelia >>>>>>>> 1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499d0aa0 >>>>>>>> 6d77 unexpectedly still child in Arcana Magic >>>>>>>> 11:11:06 - [LOGHTTP]: Slow handling of 87 PUT >>>>>>>> /agent/1b77be9b-248e-400b-a4ca-499 >>>>>>>> d0aa06d77/ from 38.130.222.165:57698 took 20062ms >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ======================== >>>>>>>> Before I had configured MyWorld.ini and RegionConfig.ini with >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http_listener_port = 9250 and 6 regions with Ports 9250-9255 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ====> Which address do you use in RegionConfig.ini? do you use your >>>>>>> IP address or your domain name? It must be the domain name as in >>>>>>> arcanavirtual.noip.me >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I noticed that when I hyper-teleported to another grid, over my >>>>>>>> head will show: >>>>>>>> [email protected]:9000 <----- not 9250 >>>>>>>> and at the next start of Diva the port changed again to: >>>>>>>> [email protected]:9100 <----- not 9250 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ====> <http://[email protected]:9100> >>>>>>> [email protected]:9100 is correct, since that's >>>>>>> your grid address, not your sim address >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I changed MyWorld.ini and RegionConfig.ini to have now the >>>>>>>> listener Port to be 9100 and Regions Ports are 9100-9105 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since 2 weeks troubleshooting this installation with no sucess. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for reading. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Isis Ophelia >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Opensim-users mailing >>>>>> [email protected]http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Opensim-users mailing >>>>> [email protected]http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>> >>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > http://opensimulator.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > >
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