> From: "Josh Hurst" <joshhurst at gmail.com>
...
> It is really the norm to tear the project into pieces? The ksh93
> integration project was once the flagship of OpenSolaris.org but Sun
> requests for adjustments and feature removals have turned this project
> into a shadow of it's former shape. If Sun continues this path then
> there is nothing left which can be integrated.
> I do not agree with Martin that this project should be canceled
> completely but I think the short-sightedness on Sun's side is simply
> SHOCKING. Feature removal as suggested by Casper and James should NOT
> be an answer to the problems.

I just don't see this in the thread.  I see a lot of debate (which I
started) as to it the /sbin version is justified, but as I said that
is a discussion about "more than one shell in /sbin" and not specifically
targetted at ksh93.  Thinking in terms of "*sh*" might make this seem
less targetted and believe me, we would be having the same reaction
for any of those possible shells.

> I have asked for Roland for ksh93 in /sbin over and over again because
> /sbin/sh is a calamity. It lacks simple features like POSIX
> conformance and even the basic features of shells available in other
> operating systems are missing in this shell. While this project
> currently does not aim at replacing /sbin/sh it would be nice to
> provide an alternative.

Why did you ask?  Why do you need /sbin/ksh93 rather than /usr/bin/ksh93?

Actually, to make sure I'm clear on this serious question, why do you
need /sbin/anything?

/sbin is only intended to contain those objects needed to get /usr mounted, 
nothing more.  It was invented by David Korn's accomplices at AT&T so maybe
he has more history, but /sbin is not for general use.

I'll also take exception with the statement "/sbin/sh is a calamity".
Sure sh is greatly inferior to ksh88 which is somewhat inferior to
ksh93.  However, I believe it is more than adequate for the minimal
tasks required of the shell in /sbin (whatever shell that is).  Sometimes
you need a Ferarri.  Sometimes a Yugo works just fine.

- jek3


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