Garrett D'Amore wrote:
Shawn Walker wrote:
The proposed project's work overlaps with much of what the ON CG does.
CGs are currently a higher-level community governance structure, so I
don't believe that this sort of project fits its current definition.
No, its disjoint. Sure, they both have kernel bits in them. But as I
said, the ON CG has its own mission, which I believe is orthogonal to
the one I'm proposing here.
If ON were truly a *community* effort then I might feel differently.
Are there any non-Sun folks who have ON CC grants, for example? I very
much doubt it. (If only because the bar to contributing to ON is so
high, that nobody external is likely to be perceived to have contributed
enough to warrant a CC grant. Although Roland might be a notable
exception.)
Yes, Roland Mainz and Jurgen Keil for example. There may be others; the
list is fairly long to check. There are others that I believe were
given grants originally and are now Sun employees, or who were Sun
employees. In addition, there are non-Sun folks that have Contributor
grants.
But I don't really see this as an important point mainly because the
number of people that have genuinely tried to contribute to ON in a
sustained fashion is relatively small. As such, very few individuals
have qualified for CC-level grants, and that's the way its supposed to
be as far as I know.
You could argue that the current barrier to entry has created this
situation, and you might be partially right, but I think anyone
genuinely interested and committed would have followed through.
I am not in any way implying that the current considered members will
not be interested in community governance, I just wanted you to
understand why I believe the bar for a CC/CG is higher than
"contributing".
I agree with you on this matter. But that doesn't address my question,
which is why this group should not have its own *representation*. I'm
not suggesting that all contributors here would have it, but certainly
those that few that are leaders in the community and have an interest in
the governance matters would do so.
What we have right now for community governance isn't adequate to meet
your desired goals, so I don't have a better answer for you. Since I
know you actually care about community governance, I'm not worried
about the current grants. But I personally didn't believe that
community governance grants are required to meet the goals of project
autonomy.
Cheers,
--
Shawn Walker
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