> On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 08:38:30PM -0500, Dennis
> Clarke wrote:
> > > You seem to have misread the email.  Stephen
> (Harpster)'s email is
> > explicitly asking the community to get involved in
> the discussion.  As the
> > copyright holder - yes, only Sun can make the
> actual license switch - but
> > this is not a unilateral executive decision.
> > 
> >   No. I read clearly.  This is a call for opinion.
> > 
> >   For what purpose?  To what effect ?
> 
> To influence the decision of Sun, and to influence
> the direction of
> GPLv3.
> 
> > license also.  Why?   What were the reasons for not
> going GPL?  Why are we
> > now discussing GPLv3 as another license to slap on
> top of OpenSolaris? 
> 
> Because GPLv3 wasn't ready two years ago.
> 
> >   There are far more important issues to ask in
> this project :
> > 
> >   (1) why do we have source that can not be built
> into a runnable OS ?
> > 
> >   (2) why are key components held back ?
>  libc_i18n.a for example
> For legal encumberances... just as it has been from
> the beginning - and
> we've never said otherwise.  

I think Dennis has an important point though. Despite whatever legal 
encumbrances may exist, these are key problems for the project and license 
changes aren't going to solve them.

If anything, I think most of the folks that would be willing to join the 
project if it was GPLv3 would likely turn not bother if they found out that 
some of the most important parts aren't available at all...

> So... are you saying we're not growing fast enough
> for you?  What if
> GPLv3 helps win more people over?  I'm confusd as to
> what you're trying
> to say.

It won't do any good to "win people over" if they're missing key components. I 
personally don't think you can win them over without some of these key 
components.

> We have the opportunity to influence GPLv3 here.

That is agreeably a good thing.

> And we are.  Keep in mind there are many faces to
> Sun.  There are
> lawyers, and there are engineers.  Lawyers deal with
> licensing issues.
> Engineers are dealing with engineering issues.
> 
> cheers,
> steve
> -- 
> stephen lau // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 650.786.0845 |

I think we know that. The SUN engineers are great people to work with. The 
whole closed bins issue though is a real dog.

-Shawn
 
 
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