On Wednesday 31 January 2007 12:19 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >If we have issues with GPL, or Debian, or GNU, or FSF, or similar, I don't
> > see that as being healthy for us in any way.
>
> Why not?  Are we not allowed to have issues with the FSF, GNU or the
> GPL?  Is "FSFThink" the only acceptable mindset?

I think we view this differently, but as long as we're considered free, I'm ok 
with that.

> >If GPLv3 would get OpenSolaris closer to being accepted, there could be
> > some merit with it. I think it's clear that the CDDL raised several
> > issues for OpenSolaris.
>
> But I think one argument is that there's no reason to believe it will.

I'm not banking on it in any way, it's not even complete.

> The main reason why people have issues with CDDL is "it's not GPL";
> at least, I have not heard any rational arguments.

I think in some ways the reason some have issue with it is that it's Sun. 
Wouldn't matter if it was SCSL, or another Sun license, they would take issue 
with it.

> They don't like us and they will continue not to like us.

I don't completely believe that 100%.

> This is not the playground, we're not kids any more; we should not
> need them to like us.

Sure, but it does us little good to be at odds with them, I don't see how that 
could help us.

> I think the questions that need to be answered have already been
> asked but have yet to be answered:
>
>       - What problem is being solved by dual licensing?

I believe so that software can co-exist with other licensed code. I know 
you'll argue that CDDL does this today, and at a cost to use in how some open 
source communities view it. They view it as Sun, and Sun is bad in their 
view.

I don't care what license is used, I care only about acceptance, and that 
means for the most amount of open source software that we can be accepted by.

>       - If the main GPL project in the OpenSolaris space is not
>         even considering GPLv3, what advantage does this have?
>       - What can be done against a "tear-off CDDL" community split?

For me the big difference is the fact that GPLv3 will remove the grey area of 
device drivers and linking with the kernel, not that these are an issue, it's 
never been take to and proven in court either way. I'm *HOPING* that GPLv3 
would remove that problem and allow all code to be used however the systems 
should use it.

-- 

Alan DuBoff - Solaris x86 Engineering - IHV/OEM Group
Advocate of insourcing at Sun - hire people that care about our company!


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