Hi, I totally agree. The BSD userland is not bad at all and I haven't heard any developers on the Mac OS X platform complain or say "I have to have GNU this or that". I've also taken the time to educate SA's on the use of the native tools in Solaris. Rarely do I see them walk away.. in fact the P commands are by far some of the most useful tools in Solaris for SA's. Having a guide or rosetta stone in the SA or Dev guides would help out a lot. For years, I've used the "Unix Rosetta Stone" at http://bhami.com/rosetta.html for reference when dealing with different flavors.
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* Octave J. Orgeron Solaris Virtualization Architect and Consultant Web: http://unixconsole.blogspot.com E-Mail: [email protected] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ----- Original Message ---- From: Mika Borner <[email protected]> To: Octave Orgeron <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]; I. Szczesniak <[email protected]>; Open Solaris <[email protected]>; ast-users <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:03:12 PM Subject: Re: [indiana-discuss] [osol-discuss] why gnu chmod in os2008.11? Octave Orgeron wrote: > As things stand, continuing to go after the Linux user base is like trying to > convert the religion of people.. pointless and a waste of effort. Apple > understands that the real attraction for everyday users is differentiation > and quality. OpenSolaris has come a long way and it's good that we are trying > to accomodate user expectations. However, to fall into the trap of "we have > to be like Linux to survive" is a dangerous and almost "end game" way of > looking at the future. Where is the leadership? I think we all want the best > platform to be OpenSolaris. > We should not forget that Apple welcomes users with a BSD userland. Many developers also use Mac OS X as their preferred platform. And almost everybody seems quite happy with it... Instead of offering switchers by default a GNU userland, we should point them immediately to a "Rosetta Stone" -like page where we explain _why_ and _how_ things are different on (Open)Solaris. If people are getting used to GNU tools and rely on them, it is much harder to teach them the (Open)Solaris way later. Not to forget, porting apps/scripts to Solaris from a GNU based OpenSolaris will be much more difficult for us administrators. Solaris 10 with many non-GNU installations, will still be around for a long time. I always try to teach people why they should e.g. use prstat instead of top. Most of them have switched to prstat after explaining the advantages of native Solaris commands. _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
