It saddens me to see Simon, Sun's ombudsman, mischaracterize Roy's constructive input as "extreme anger" and "picking at scabs".
For those that don't know Dr Fielding's history with the OpenSolaris project, Dr. Fielding was invited by Sun to join the project because Sun wanted to create an Open Source project similar to what Roy had achieved before in creating the Apache Foundation. Dr. Fielding is a serious computer scientist who helped develop the HTTP protocol, is one of the original authors of the Apache web server and helped found the Apache foundation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Fielding Much of the controversy that is happening now is due to Sun's ombudsman, Simon Phipps, driving a change to the founding documents, constitution and charter for the OpenSolaris organization, so they match the "facts on the ground", rather than the original ideals as laid out by Sun. Apparently the powers that be have had a change of heart about how open they want the project to be. ie. originally the Open in OpenSolaris meant "Open Source" and "Open Development Model". Sun no longer truly seems interested in these and Open has become just a marketing term, to be bandied about. I guess my view on this topic of changing the Constitution and charter is that, yes, Sun can dissolve the community and replace it with one that fits their new goals, but I certainly do not have to endorse the change, nor does anyone have to vote for it. I suspect that if plan A to get the community to change the constitution and charter by vote fails, Sun will just do it. If they do, we have the right to create a foundation and fork the project. -Brian On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Simon Phipps <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the input, Roy. I doubt I can ever resolve the extreme anger at > Sun you've been exhibiting in your posts to this list (I know you are still > on it in error by the way and I apologise in advance - I hope someone is > fixing it for everyone). And I know you will always out-argue me even when > I'm right, because you are a brilliant logician and rhetorician :-) But > still, one more comment, masochist that I am. > > I disagree with you because of the very realities of the OpenSolaris > community you're characterising so sarcastically. We all had the fight with > Sun over OpenSolaris over a year ago, and many of us (me included) were very > unhappy about it. That was then. > > The outcome is what it is and we now are where we are. The correct > formulation for the Charter/Constitution is to have clear, simple rules > about how the community will administer itself, have the Charter make the > big statements of purpose and take the two documents together as the > definition for the community. To do otherwise is to pretend we have a say in > things we don't and to pick at scabs that should be left to heal. > > You left because you didn't like that - I have no idea why you feel the need > to come back and say what you're saying. Please don't drag up all the hatred > again. > > S. > > _______________________________________________ > core-contrib-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/core-contrib-discuss > -- - Brian Gupta New York City user groups calendar: http://nyc.brandorr.com/ _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
