> ***   before you argue with moinak, be sure that you
> have taken the time to read his blog.   ***

As you have probably noticed from my messages, I never try to argue with 
anyone, I'm merely carrying a discussion in which I express my opinion and I 
don't make anyone "clueless", "you must be joking", "ridiculous", and so on, as 
apparently some people here like to do, there's a big difference.

> Were you talking about with having "Smart" in mind, or without "Smart"?

I've never tried "Smart".

> When combining an existing (or new) packaging system
> with Smart (no IPS, no conary), you can gain similar speed
> improvements, along with many other benefits. 

That sounds good, although I have a question to ask, why are the main distros, 
i.e. Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenSuse still on those slow package managers ?

> And you don't need to employ 50 engineers for 2 years to get a 
> written-from-scratch 
> monster like IPS going.

The codebase is certainly not that big, and I'm quite sure there were about 5 
*main* devs involved.

> If they wanted (because they wanted) some revolutionary python based
> system like IPS, they could have used rPath's conary, which is in development 
> since 2004.

You've talked enough about Conary with Stephen Hahn before, so I'm not going 
into this again.

> But as Sun always seemed to have too much time and money, 
> couldn't ever accept help (many examples!)

The last part I completely agree with, and if OpenSolaris will fail then this 
ultimately will be its undoing, the failure to accept devs help without a 
complicated process of finding sponsors, going through ARCs and so on, which 
are fine if you do this as your day job, and not if it's your hobby and you 
just want to contribute. Although there are a few notable exceptions, Jurgen 
Keil for example is a great contributor, if there would have been 100 people 
like that, OpenSolaris would be a completely different beast now and would 
attract even more developers ;)
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