Are we saying it will actually be impossible for a scripter to prevent users attaching other objects at the same point as the object being scripted? Or even detect that another attachment is using the same point? Combat systems tend to rely on that to enforce 'one weapon per user' rules.
> -----Original Message----- > From: opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com > [mailto:opensource-dev-boun...@lists.secondlife.com] On > Behalf Of Francesco Rabbi > Sent: 27 August 2010 13:57 > To: Aleric Inglewood > Cc: opensource-dev > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Removal of the > "MultipleAttachments" debug settings ? > > Maybe i not understand well, now if i want i can wear a > collar from a creator on a shirt made by somebody else, if > viewer lock me on a fixed wearing strutture imho is a > pain.... IF a user want create fast combination of clothes > and attachments without waste time clicking one per time each > item can use outfits folders, without overload viewers with > code than limit residents creativity in outfit composing. > > If i want wear me undie ON my jeans i must be free to do it :) > > -- > Sent by iPhone > > Il giorno 27/ago/2010, alle ore 14:48, Aleric Inglewood > <aleric.inglew...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > I fail to see how your example could undermine the bits-proposal. > > For a start, the bits *only* add possibilities (254 per object!). > > Currently the ONLY existing behavior is as if my bits are > already in > > place, but set to 11111111 when you 'wear' something, and > to 00000000 when you 'add' > > something. Adding the bits will just open up a whole scala > of control > > over how your attachments replace other attachments (and clothing?). > > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Francesco Rabbi > <syt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> You lost quite all good taste of this feature.... Ppl > should be free > >> to add everything in funny/weird way, and creators cannot > be limited > >> matching which bit another creator use... > > > > The possibilities only increase, as I just explained. You can still > > add anything in every way possible. I specifically said > that each user > > should be able to change the bits of objects even if those > objects are > > no modify. You can always just set all bits to 0, then you can wear > > anything and everything at the same time. > > > >> The solution is resident side: outfits folders, may be interesting > >> mark boxes or vendors to create automatically outfit folders maybe > > > > Lets look at your example. I added comment on the right. > > > >> Example: > >> -outfit "naked" > >> Hair <--- Head attachament > >> SHAPE NO bits (or all 0) > >> Skin NO bits (or all 0) > >> Genitalia <--- Pelvis attachment > >> > >> -outfit "sport" > >> All above but genitalia > >> Jeans <--- covers genitalia > >> Shirt > >> Shirt collar <--- Chest attachment > >> Necklace <--- Chest attachment > >> Shoes <--- Feet attachments > > > > Ok, so a user could set the same bit on the Genitalia > object as on the > > pants. Then they would become mutual exclusive, which is > what you want > > apparently (and which makes sense since pants cover > genitalia. Pants > > that don't should just NOT set that bit). > > > > Assuming that it looks good if you wear the necklace and the shirt > > collar at the same time: put them in different classes so > they won't > > replace each other when worn. > > > >> "replace" outfit should revert from to other, without got creators > >> crazy > > > > "replace outfit" is an entirely different thing than "wear" > attachment/clothing. > > The usual meaning is that EVERYTHING is removed and then > things in the > > folder are added. > > > >> If a vendor or box can be enganced with "outfit" (over buy content > >> and buy copy) > > > > I think daily outfit management by the users is more important than > > the urge to control how and what the users wear by vendors. > > If things bought by users don't work out of the box, then they will > > have to manually remove a few things, just like now. But at least > > they'll be able to automate that and not have to worry about having > > the add and remove attachments/clothing EVERY time, when > wearing stuff from inventory. > > > > Any change to wearing a new outfit that is in a just-bought box is > > orthogonal to my proposal. > > > >> ( all this marked with a giant IMHO) > >> > >> -- > >> Sent by iPhone > >> > >> Il giorno 27/ago/2010, alle ore 14:11, Aleric Inglewood > >> <aleric.inglew...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> > >>> The following has been proposed before: > >>> > >>> * Add new bits to each object (all existing objects > should act as if > >>> all bits are set). > >>> * Give the bits a default meaning (read: human readable > word, which > >>> can be different per attachment point), but allow each user to > >>> override those descriptions locally. > >>> * Allow users to change the bits for each of their > objects, even no-modify ones. > >>> * If a user 'wears' (or adds, which becomes redundant) a new > >>> attachment, then remove those attachments that have one > or more of > >>> the same bits set. In other words, at any time one can > only have one > >>> object attached at a given position with any given bit set. > >>> > >>> Suppose you think that 8 bits are enough, then the > following holds: > >>> > >>> * 11111111 = old 'wear' behavior: replaces everything else. > >>> * 00000000 = 'add' behavior: is added, replaces nothing. > >>> * 00000001 = (for example): assign default meaning 'jacket' for > >>> chest attachments (jacket collars and hoodies). > >>> * 00000010 = (for example): assign default meaning > 'shirt' for chest > >>> attachments (shirt collars). > >>> * 00000100 = (for example): assign default meaning 'necklace' for > >>> chest attachments. > >>> and so on. > >>> > >>> This allows users to make groups of attachments that are mutually > >>> exclusive, but having up till 8 classes that can be worn > at the same > >>> time on the same attachment point. > >>> > >>> Personally I think that those bits also should be added to normal > >>> wearables, so that it is possible to have attachments > being removed > >>> when you wear a new shirt (ie, a shirt without a collar should > >>> remove all existing shirt-collars, or wearing a penis could > >>> automatically remove underwear and pants and visa versa, Linden > >>> shoes could remove prim shoes, etc, all user customizable for > >>> his/her own attachments; the default naming would be just > a hint to > >>> make things work reasonable after just having bought it). > >>> > >>> I'm not sure, but I think that having eight classes per > attachment > >>> points should be enough, so adding a single byte to every object > >>> should be enough. > >>> > >>> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Nyx Linden > <n...@lindenlab.com> wrote: > >>>> however, so if you have suggestions for better ways of > exposing the > >>>> functionality, please do let us know! > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > >>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > >>> Please read the policies before posting to keep > unmoderated posting > >>> privileges > >> > _______________________________________________ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev > Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated > posting privileges > _______________________________________________ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
