> On Apr 19, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Salz, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> David has pointed out valid use-cases.  I think most use-cases will "just 
> work."  We should document the known sharp edges.

I am pointing valid use-cases that David has not taken into account, and 
conformance ratchets have cost/benefit trade-offs, and are fair game for 
discussion.  Ad hominem responses are entirely inappropriate, and an apology is 
due.

David has done lots of good work, but we're all human, and the SNI ratchet is 
problematic for at least SMTP.  I can legitimately be argued to be a poor 
tradeoff.

Even in HTTP where the client ought to send SNI, if it does not, but would 
accept the default certificate (with e.g. TLS 1.2), the rationale for 
deliberately unusable certificates with TLS 1.3 does not look compelling, 
especially given the privacy
leaks with SNI.

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-- 
        Viktor.

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