On 11/15/2013 01:13 PM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 12:47 -0500, Anita Kuno wrote: >> On 11/15/2013 12:34 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: >>> On 11/15/2013 12:16 PM, Kyle Mestery (kmestery) wrote: >>>> On Nov 15, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Dan Smith <d...@danplanet.com> wrote: >>>>>> Thanks for weighing in, I do hope to keep the conversation going. >>>>> Add my name to the list of people that won't be considering the trip as >>>>> a result. >>>>> >>>> Are people really saying that if they show up for this Tempest sprint >>>> with a logo shirt they would actually take it off and wear a white shirt >>>> provided by someone, or that this will prevent them from going at all? >>>> I can't even believe we're having this conversation on the list, frankly. >>> I'm saying that I find it so ridiculous, that I wouldn't consider going >>> at all. >>> >>> I find the suggestion that I would be given a different shit to wear so >>> offensive, that I have to waste time having this conversation to condemn >>> it publicly. I have a lot of pride in OpenStack, and don't want anyone >>> to think that everyone finds this sort of requirement acceptable in our >>> community. >> I respect this about you, Russell and it is one of the many reasons I am >> so glad to work with you. >> >> Had this level of pride in OpenStack been prevalent during the Neutron >> design summit sessions, it wouldn't even have occured to me to mention it. >> >> I hope to attract people with this level of pride in OpenStack to the >> code sprint and my thought was that eliminating logos would support that >> goal. >> >> What would you suggest to attract and foster this level of pride in >> OpenStack in the code sprint attendees? >> >> I will also note, that while you clearly stated the Neutron is being >> considered for deprecation - t-shirts prevail as an issue on this >> thread. I consider that rather interesting to observe. > > I think you're expressing a similar sentiment to e.g. "there should be > more Neutron developers who work on core Neutron rather than just their > drivers". I'm cool with that, and totally agree. > > Choosing to pick on people's choice of clothing is just a bizarre way of > expressing that concern, though. > > Bear in mind how often I talk about this being a community of > individuals, we should all wear our "project hats", that our affiliation > should be secondary to our commitment to our project, ... > > Dictating what people can wear to an OpenStack event is not my idea of > what OpenStack is all about. It's not my idea of the "mutual respect" > you talk about.
100% agree with Mark. I think the spirit of working together on the whole can be set as a tone without rules and policies around people's clothing. This is about inclusiveness. I'd like the clothing restriction bits retracted from this as well, because I don't think it's really relevant to the discussion, the sprint, or how we function as a community. -Sean -- Sean Dague http://dague.net
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