On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Alan Kavanagh <alan.kavan...@ericsson.com> wrote:
> I share Donald's points here, I believe what would help is to clearly > describe in the Wiki the process and workflow for the BP approval process > and build in this process how to deal with discrepancies/disagreements and > build timeframes for each stage and process of appeal etc. > The current process would benefit from some fine tuning and helping to > build safe guards and time limits/deadlines so folks can expect responses > within a reasonable time and not be left waiting in the cold. > This is a resource problem, the nova team simply does not have enough people doing enough reviews to make this possible. > My 2cents! > /Alan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dugger, Donald D [mailto:donald.d.dug...@intel.com] > Sent: August-28-14 10:43 PM > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? > > I would contend that that right there is an indication that there's a > problem with the process. You submit a BP and then you have no idea of > what is happening and no way of addressing any issues. If the priority is > wrong I can explain why I think the priority should be higher, getting > stonewalled leaves me with no idea what's wrong and no way to address any > problems. > > I think, in general, almost everyone is more than willing to adjust > proposals based upon feedback. Tell me what you think is wrong and I'll > either explain why the proposal is correct or I'll change it to address the > concerns. > > Trying to deal with silence is really hard and really frustrating. > Especially given that we're not supposed to spam the mailing it's really > hard to know what to do. I don't know the solution but we need to do > something. More core team members would help, maybe something like an > automatic timeout where BPs/patches with no negative scores and no activity > for a week get flagged for special handling. > > I feel we need to change the process somehow. > > -- > Don Dugger > "Censeo Toto nos in Kansa esse decisse." - D. Gale > Ph: 303/443-3786 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:44 PM > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] Is the BP approval process broken? > > On 08/27/2014 09:04 PM, Dugger, Donald D wrote: > > I'll try and not whine about my pet project but I do think there is a > > problem here. For the Gantt project to split out the scheduler there > > is a crucial BP that needs to be implemented ( > > https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893/ ) and, unfortunately, the BP > > has been rejected and we'll have to try again for Kilo. My question > > is did we do something wrong or is the process broken? > > > > Note that we originally proposed the BP on 4/23/14, went through 10 > > iterations to the final version on 7/25/14 and the final version got > > three +1s and a +2 by 8/5. Unfortunately, even after reaching out to > > specific people, we didn't get the second +2, hence the rejection. > > > > I understand that reviews are a burden and very hard but it seems > > wrong that a BP with multiple positive reviews and no negative reviews > > is dropped because of what looks like indifference. > > I would posit that this is not actually indifference. The reason that > there may not have been >1 +2 from a core team member may very well have > been that the core team members did not feel that the blueprint's priority > was high enough to put before other work, or that the core team members did > have the time to comment on the spec (due to them not feeling the blueprint > had the priority to justify the time to do a full review). > > Note that I'm not a core drivers team member. > > Best, > -jay > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >
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