On 09/08/2014 11:12 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: > > On Sep 7, 2014, at 9:27 PM, Anita Kuno <ante...@anteaya.info> wrote: > >> On 09/07/2014 09:12 PM, Angus Salkeld wrote: >>> Lets prevent blogs like this: http://jimhconsulting.com/?p=673 by making >>> users happy. >> I don't understand why you would encourage writers of blog posts you >> disagree with by sending them traffic. > > silencing users who have issues with your project is a really bad idea. If > you want to create something great you absolutely need to be obsessed with > your detractors and the weight of what they have to say. Because unless they > are a competitor engaged in outright slander, there will be some truth in it. > Ignore criticism at your peril. Someone who takes the time to write out > an even somewhat well reasoned criticism is doing your project a service. > > I found the above blog post very interesting as I’d like to get more data on > what the large, perceived issues are. > Wow, we are really taking liberties with my question today.
What part of any of my actions current or previous have led you to believe that I want to now or ever have silenced anyone? I am curious what led you to believe that silencing users was the motivation for my question of Angus. I now see, through asking Angus for clarity which he did provide (not silencing him, you will notice), that Angus' motivation was prevention of poor user experience through better attention. I am highly aware, particularly in the area in which I work - the third party space- of the leading nature of behavioural training that takes place particularly of new contributors and contributors who don't have English as a first language of anything we ask or expect them to do. Many times what seems to be a reasonable comment or expectation can be taken completely out of context by folks who don't have English as a first language and don't have the cultural context and filters that English speakers have. Actually my question was motivated from a user experience point of view, the third party user, since I am only too aware of what kind of questions and confusion many comments cause because the commenter doesn't take the non-English speaker point of view into account. By clarifying Angus' motivation with Angus, hopefully his meaning - create better user experiences, and better relationships with users - has come through. And I agree with all of your points, which is why I take such pains to create clarity on the mailing lists and other communication. Thanks, Anita. > > > >> >> Anita. >>> >>> 1) Consistent/easy upgrading. >>> all projects should follow a consistent model to the way they approach >>> upgrading. >>> it should actually work. >>> - REST versioning >>> - RPC versioning >>> - db (data) migrations >>> - ordering of procedures and clear documentation of it. >>> [this has been begged for by operators, but not sure how we have >>> delivered] >>> >>> 2) HA >>> - ability to continue operations after been restated >>> - functional tests to prove the above? >>> >>> 3) Make it easier for small business to "give OpenStack a go" >>> - produce standard docker images as part of ci with super simple >>> instructions on running them. >>> >>> -Angus >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Joe Gordon <joe.gord...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> As you all know, there has recently been several very active discussions >>>> around how to improve assorted aspects of our development process. One idea >>>> that was brought up is to come up with a list of cycle goals/project >>>> priorities for Kilo . >>>> >>>> To that end, I would like to propose an exercise as discussed in the TC >>>> meeting yesterday : >>>> Have anyone interested (especially TC members) come up with a list of what >>>> they think the project wide Kilo cycle goals should be and post them on >>>> this thread by end of day Wednesday, September 10th. After which time we >>>> can begin discussing the results. >>>> The goal of this exercise is to help us see if our individual world views >>>> align with the greater community, and to get the ball rolling on a larger >>>> discussion of where as a project we should be focusing more time. >>>> >>>> >>>> best, >>>> Joe Gordon >>>> >>>>  >>>> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/041929.html >>>>  >>>> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2014/tc.2014-09-02-20.04.log.html >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>>> OpenStackfirstname.lastname@example.org >>>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OpenStack-dev mailing list >>> OpenStackemail@example.com >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OpenStack-dev mailing list >> OpenStackfirstname.lastname@example.org >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStackemail@example.com > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStackfirstname.lastname@example.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev