*"should OpenStack include, in the integrated release,
a messaging-as-a-service component"*

Assuming this is truly a question that represents where we are and not
exploratory of what we might want to address, I would say the answer is a
resounding no, as queuing is within the scope of what Openstack is and has
always been. If we get into integrated messaging, I'm struggling to
understand what value it adds to the IaaS goal. We might as well start
integrating office and productivity applications while we're at it.

Sorry if i sound cheeky but considering this seems rather odd to me.


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On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Clint Byrum <cl...@fewbar.com> wrote:

> Excerpts from Devananda van der Veen's message of 2014-09-09 16:47:27
> -0700:
> > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Samuel Merritt <s...@swiftstack.com>
> wrote:
> > > On 9/9/14, 12:03 PM, Monty Taylor wrote:
> > [snip]
> > >> So which is it? Because it sounds like to me it's a thing that
> actually
> > >> does NOT need to diverge in technology in any way, but that I've been
> > >> told that it needs to diverge because it's delivering a different set
> of
> > >> features - and I'm pretty sure if it _is_ the thing that needs to
> > >> diverge in technology because of its feature set, then it's a thing I
> > >> don't think we should be implementing in python in OpenStack because
> it
> > >> already exists and it's called AMQP.
> > >
> > >
> > > Whether Zaqar is more like AMQP or more like email is a really strange
> > > metric to use for considering its inclusion.
> > >
> >
> > I don't find this strange at all -- I had been judging the technical
> > merits of Zaqar (ex-Marconi) for the last ~18 months based on the
> > understanding that it aimed to provide Queueing-as-a-Service, and
> > found its delivery of that to be lacking on technical grounds. The
> > implementation did not meet my view of what a queue service should
> > provide; it is based on some serious antipatterns (storing a queue in
> > an RDBMS is probably the most obvious); and in fact, it isn't even
> > queue-like in the access patterns enabled by the REST API (random
> > access to a set != a queue). That was the basis for a large part of my
> > objections to the project over time, and a source of frustration for
> > me as the developers justified many of their positions rather than
> > accepted feedback and changed course during the incubation period. The
> > reason for this seems clear now...
> >
> > As was pointed out in the TC meeting today, Zaqar is (was?) actually
> > aiming to provide Messaging-as-a-Service -- not queueing as a service!
> > This is another way of saying "it's more like email and less like
> > AMQP", which means my but-its-not-a-queue objection to the project's
> > graduation is irrelevant, and I need to rethink about all my previous
> > assessments of the project.
>
> Well said.
>
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