On 12 November 2014 09:53, marios <mar...@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 12/11/14 11:18, Anita Kuno wrote:
> > On 11/12/2014 08:04 AM, marios wrote:
> >> On 12/11/14 04:17, Clint Byrum wrote:
> >>> Just as a counter-point: The entire reason that a mid-cycle is an
> >>> important thing to do is to achieve higher bandwidth communication
> between
> >>> contributors. We can do Hangouts all the time and that's certainly a
> >>> useful thing. But making the people in the room who have high bandwidth
> >>> slow down for those who are at the other end of low-bandwidth may not
> be
> >>> a productive thing as a whole.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, just a thought as somebody who has tried this before.
> >>
> >> I understand but I am definitely not saying the room should slow down
> >> for someone on hangout - heck I'd be ecstatic if microphones are even
> >> used). In my experience this can work best if it is understood that
> >> remotees have a read-only feed into the room audio (best case + video of
> >> slides) - it makes the world of difference compared to say just staring
> >> at the etherpad being updated.  I don't see this as having a high cost
> >> to setup (just point a laptop at the speaker, end),
> >>
> >> If you are a remotee and need read/write into the meeeting then you
> >> should prepare beforehand and have stuff written down to share. It is
> >> only common courtesy, and I absolutely agree it would be in the very
> >> least inconsiderate to expect the room to stop/slow down to allow any
> >> kind of conversation to happen over hangout. In fact, just click the
> >> on-air button and that way you get a youtube link to share, which
> >> obviously *is* read-only (r/w participation is limited @ 10 afaik),
> >>
> >> my 2c, thanks, marios
> > You seem to have put quite a bit of thought into this marios, why can't
> > you attend? If the reason is purely financial, please approach Kyle in
> > private and I will contact him as well to see if we can access some
> > finances for folks committed to working on the technical debt for
> > neutron that need financial assistance.
>
> thanks very much for your kind offer Anita :) - my gut feeling is that
> this kind of funding shouldn't be used to subsidize travel for corporate
> engineers, but it is excellent to know it is there regardles.
>

You should not see yourself as evil and not worth using foundation budget
just because you work for a private enterprise!
After all - it's corporations like yours and mine which fund OpenStack.
If for any reason your employer can' authorise your travel, and - obviously
- if you want to come, you should probably do as Anita suggests.


> To be fair I haven't even mentioned this to my manager - imo it doesn't
> make sense for this one. The specific technical debt I scored at summit
> is functional testing for l2-agent and dhcp-agent (as well as the
> general 'help out/reviews etc').


As we are working to get somebody from QA & Infra at the meetup, we will
probably have a "working table" dedicated to testing.


> Neither of those are controversial or
> require any particular deep discussion about approach :).


We're not meeting to argue or have fights. There's already a summit every 6
months for that! This meeting is about finalizing designs into low level
aspects and then getting our hands dirty on the keyboard.


> I am based in
> the far eastern Mediterranean so 1 month is probably also very close to
> the minimum time before which you can comfortably plan travel to the
> states.
>
>
Fortunately there are no easyjets or ryanairs for intercontinental flights.
You can buy reasonably priced tickets up to 2 weeks before departure. Idk
where you are precisely but flights from London, Rome, and Munich to Salt
Lake City are around 850 euros at the moment.



> thanks! marios
>
> >
> > Having you there is far more productive than not.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Anita.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Excerpts from Marios Andreou's message of 2014-11-11 08:56:05 -0800:
> >>>> +1 would be great to at least have a hangout going
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _sent from my mobile device, sorry for
> spacing/spelling/top-posting/.*_
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Kyle Mestery [mest...@mestery.com]
> >>>> Received: Tuesday, 11 Nov 2014, 16:14
> >>>> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) [
> openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org]
> >>>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [neutron] Neutron mid-cycle announcement
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Gary Kotton <gkot...@vmware.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>> For those unable to attend will there be an option of remote access?
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Gary
> >>>>>
> >>>> We'll do our best to make this happen. I'll see if we can get a Google
> >>>> Hangout going in the room, and make sure people are on IRC.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>> Kyle
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 11/11/14, 3:04 PM, "Kyle Mestery" <mest...@mestery.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi folks:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Apologies for the delay in announcing the Neutron mid-cycle, but I
> was
> >>>>>> confirming the details up until last night. I've captured the
> details
> >>>>>> on an etherpad here [1]. The dates are December 8-10
> >>>>>> (Monday-Wednesday), and it will be at the Adobe offices in Lehi,
> Utah,
> >>>>>> USA.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We're still collecting information on hotels which should be on the
> >>>>>> etherpad later today.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks, looking forward to seeing everyone I missed in Paris!
> >>>>>> Kyle
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-kilo-midcycle
> >>>>>>
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